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| I started WILD last night before i fell asleep and i got scared cause of SP because your supposed to do it with WBTB so i just switched over to MILD/auto suggestion
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milod789
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Yay! I think I had my first lucid last night!
Ok, I am pretty sure this was a LD. I was doing the WILD technique and I set an alarm to wake me up at 2:00 It went off and I started to do WILD. I felt sufficiently relaxed so I just started counting. I got to the point where I felt what I think were the vibrations and I was seeing random images. Not just pictures but like a little image that moved, like short random movie clips. I told myself to just observe them. I don't know how long it was, but all of a sudden I got this idea that to enter the dream "You focus on the light coming from the sides of your eyes" (from your perepheral vision). I did this and there was a really strong vibration or something. It just felt really weird. Then the images sorta stopped and it got really dark, and then I found myself in a dream. I was in English and my teacher was asking some kid questions. I left this and soon found myself wondering through my school. I then realized I was dreaming and I knew it was a lucid dream. I then, as I had previously planned, went to find my subconcious to ensure future lucid dreams. I went to God who gave my a blue soccerball with a note written in colorful ink for one of my friends to improve his grades. Then I tried to stop time, and get super powers, but nothing worked. In fact, my dream wasn't even very vivid.
I was very happy when I woke. I mean, who wouldnt be? If God gave you a soccerball to ensure you would have more LD's... anyways just thought I would share. |
Congratulations on your lucid dream. 
Yes, you were lucid even though things did not work out the way you wanted them to. Don’t worry about things not being as vivid as you expect or having dream powers. All of that will come to you in time. All of us had problems with lucidity at first. It just takes practice.
I look forward to hearing about your next lucid dream.
quantum physics,
You don’t have to do WILD with WBTB, it is just easier especially when you are just learning how to do it. You can do WILD at bedtime as well. It does take more practice and patients but it is possible. So, if you find that you are trying a WILD technique at bed time there is no reason to be scared. Give it a try, you never know.
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Myahana
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I was trying to WILD yesterday night and actually, I cannot say if it was for real or not. I'm not even sure how I got to the WILD part but all of a sudden my body started vibrating, my mind was half dreaming half aware of the fact that I'm about to sleep. Actually it even felt as if a part of me was trying to leave my body, yet it couldn't. I even tried to start dreaming by telling myself so three times but each time I did, I got the vibrating effects but nothing happened. It was very, very odd.
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Olesia
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still wondering if it might be impossible for some people to WILD, I've been trying for ages (well, okay, not ages, a few months, but it seems like some people get it after a week or something!) and I never have any success. The only thing that keeps me going is that I had a spontaneous WILD once, on a roadtrip, and I kept falling asleep in the car and I got a WILD. I've been thinking that I should try sleeping and WILD'ing sitting up, but nah, sleeping sitting up isn't very comfortable...
Dream on. // Olesia
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Basilus West
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Olesia, I'm wondering the same thing. I've been trying for ages too. I've just had one WILD and it was more like a dream reentry indeed.
About sleeping sitting up, it's adviced by some people, for instance it's the case in the Suneye method.
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milod789
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I was trying to WILD yesterday night and actually, I cannot say if it was for real or not. I'm not even sure how I got to the WILD part but all of a sudden my body started vibrating, my mind was half dreaming half aware of the fact that I'm about to sleep. Actually it even felt as if a part of me was trying to leave my body, yet it couldn't. I even tried to start dreaming by telling myself so three times but each time I did, I got the vibrating effects but nothing happened. It was very, very odd. |
It sounds like you were getting very close to WILD. From where you got stuck you need to let go of more of your conscious thinking.
This is where people seem to run into problems with WILD. It is not that WILD is hard. The problem is that the concept behind it is hard to understand. You don’t actually stay completely awake, it is not a seamless transition from consciousness to dreaming. You are maybe only holding on to say 10% of your conscious thinking when you crossover into the dream. You may even experience a brief black out before you enter the dream.
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| I'm still wondering if it might be impossible for some people to WILD, |
No, I believe that anyone can learn to do WILD. I think people think that WILD is so hard to do that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If you think it is impossible then it will be. But if you stay positive and keep practicing you will eventually get it.
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Indago
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I had a confusing WBTB WILD attempt recently. I awoke after a dream after about five or so hours of sleep. I got up, went to the bathroom and drank some milk, then laid back down and relaxed myself to prepare for WILD attempt. I had the HI, SP, and then my heart beat very rapidly and I could feel my real eyes (Or maybe dream eyes?) moving and fluttering rapidly. My breathing was automatic and very shallow, and then my body completely disappeared and I was staring into a black void. Everything was black and I didn't exist! I dont know how long I was swimming in the darkness, but I eventually returned to reality and went back to sleep.
So what should I do differently for WILD? I think I'm holding on to my consciousness too firmly and holding back the dream flow.
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milod789
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| Indago wrote: |
I had a confusing WBTB WILD attempt recently. I awoke after a dream after about five or so hours of sleep. I got up, went to the bathroom and drank some milk, then laid back down and relaxed myself to prepare for WILD attempt. I had the HI, SP, and then my heart beat very rapidly and I could feel my real eyes (Or maybe dream eyes?) moving and fluttering rapidly. My breathing was automatic and very shallow, and then my body completely disappeared and I was staring into a black void. Everything was black and I didn't exist! I dont know how long I was swimming in the darkness, but I eventually returned to reality and went back to sleep.
So what should I do differently for WILD? I think I'm holding on to my consciousness too firmly and holding back the dream flow. |
Do you know if you actually went to sleep?
If so, then it sounds like what you experienced was what we call the void. It is a lot like what you described only you definitely know you are asleep. While it seems like you are in nothing you know it is something. (It’s kind of hard to describe) If you were in the void there is good news and bad news. The good news is that you successfully maintained consciousness from your waking to sleeping state. The bad news is that while you are in the void there is nothing you can do. You just have to stay calm and wait for dreaming to start.
You are making progress so I say stick with what you are doing. You did crossover into the sleeping state unfortunately you just entered at a stage (delta) where dreaming is not possible. From where you were you will eventually move up into rem or other state where dreaming is possible. The best part is that you will start the dream fully lucid.
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Mr. Diggity
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| I did WILD today for the first time. At least I'm pretty sure its WILD. A short time after I closed my eyes, I got an image. It was very clear. I've noticed this many times before going to sleep. I'll get an image in my head, sometimes it will be a random object, but its very clear. Today I got an image of a television and there was a lot of motion on it, like a tv drama show where the camra follows the characters very close. I focused on this image and I "zoomed in" so that I couldn't see the tv or anything around it, just whatever was on TV. I don't remember exactly how I got into the dream, but the next thing I know I'm sitting in front of two trolls and I'm lucid. I did this several times during my nap, I'd completely loose lucidity but then I would just get another image (it kept being tv shows or movies, with a lot of motion) and I'd end up in another LD. This is what I did that I think allowed me to do WILD for the first time: I got about 4 and a half hours of sleep and then went to a few classes. After class I took a nap and did WILD. I think it worked because I was tired because I had only slept for 4 and a half hours, but at the same time my mind was very aware because I had just gotten back from a few classes.
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Fwump38
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| lucky you! I'm pretty sure that was WILD. Although, since I have been trying WILD for about a month with only one success, I'm going to take a good week long, well needed break. I seem to have trouble getting anything past SP. I wake up after 6 hours of sleep, and lay back down to bed. I relax and sit still, and soon I feel "tingly" I guess, and I can see some patterns if I close my eyes, but that leads me nowhere. After about an hour I am relaxed, and am partially paralyzed (It feels kinda stiff to move, but I could get up in an instant if I wanted). After this point, I either give up and fall asleep, or keep trying and don't get very good sleep. I think I am going to just stick with that "Lucid Warp" and believing thing.
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Otyo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: |
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I attempted to go to sleep using WILD tonight, and I felt some sort of weak paralysis (I would still be able to move if I wanted to, but I was laying abnormally still), I could feel my eyes fluttering, but it seemed like I never was able to go to sleep. When I gave up, two hours had passed, much to my surprise, expecting to have been in my bed for no more than half an hour.
I never enter a LD nor did I enter any form of "void". It felt like I was just laying there.
Was this some form of SP or what? :\
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Fwump38
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| I think sometimes, people new to this get mixed up. For, the first couple of times I tried WILD didn't do WBTB so I just tried right when I went to sleep. After about only 10 minutes, I would, for some reason, get a rapid heart rate, and my eyes would flutter around alot unless I either, forced them shut, or let them open. I realized later, that this wasn't really WILD (I'm pretty sure), because I wasn't even relaxed or tired or had SP or anything. Just some info for some people!
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milod789
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Otyo wrote: |
I attempted to go to sleep using WILD tonight, and I felt some sort of weak paralysis (I would still be able to move if I wanted to, but I was laying abnormally still), I could feel my eyes fluttering, but it seemed like I never was able to go to sleep. When I gave up, two hours had passed, much to my surprise, expecting to have been in my bed for no more than half an hour.
I never enter a LD nor did I enter any form of "void". It felt like I was just laying there.
Was this some form of SP or what? :\ |
You were definitely in a deeply relaxed state, perhaps even a deep trance. When you are that deep in relaxation time can move very quickly. You get that a lot with meditation as well.
Were you in SP? Well I can’t say for sure but I don’t think so. Believe me, when/if (not everyone does when they do WILD) you enter SP you will know. You wont have to ask. Like I said above I think you were in a deep relaxed/trance state. It is a good sign that you got that far so don’t give up.
While I am here there are some things I want to mention.
A lot of people when they start practicing WILD they have expectations as to what they will experience. Things like HI, HH, SP etc. You may experience any or all of these things or you may not experience any of them. The problem is that people gage their progress by these possible symptoms of WILD. For example, a person just starting out might wrongfully conclude that they did not get very far because they did not see any HI or get into SP. A worse barrier is that a lot of people lay in bed waiting and thinking about getting HI or waiting for SP to set in. The problem with this is that you keep yourself awake. You just have to relax, focus on your WILD technique (whatever you are focusing on) and let go of all other thoughts. Moreover, what ever you focus on should be simple. You need to let go of almost all of your consciousness. To crossover into the dream you only need to keep the door slightly open.
I hope this helps some people understand WILD a little better.
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| I would, for some reason, get a rapid heart rate, and my eyes would flutter around alot unless I either, forced them shut, or let them open. |
Lots of people seem to get this. It seems to happen if you are not relaxed enough (though the jury is still out on that). Anyway, the way through it, is to ignore it. Don’t try to control your eye movements or anything like that. They will settle down on their own.
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Sonia
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| ^^That is some good information for anybody who is just starting with WILD. I have not been successful with it yet. Perhaps it is because I was making the mistake of waiting for HI.
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Fwump38
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: |
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I did WILD for about...a month or so straight. Every night, I would wake at 4.5-6 hours later and try. I would get really far and had one lucid dream  . Then I stopped for about 3 days due to allergies and feeling sick etc  . I noticed that, upon trying WILD again, I am having a lot of difficulty  . I wake up after 4.5/6 hours and try WILD and I keep falling asleep. I realize now that, back when I was doing it for awhile, I was getting further and further each time.
Although, last night, my alarm didn't even wake me, and I didn't remember any dreams. Which I have for the past 3 weeks. 
The point here is, to people new at this, to keep it up and try not to take big breaks without trying it.
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