The BIG WILD topic - Part XV

[milod789]

[Mantis]

By that simple thing to focus on, do you mean an element /image from the HI, or some kind of mental focus like with meditation, which you have for that purpose? With HILD you focus on the simple movement of a bodypart, but I find maintaining focus on imagery or certain thoughts much more difficult.
I will try WBTB and WILD tonight, I know I've had some HI previously when I didn't know about LD's yet, so at least seeing HI shouldn't be a problem

[milod789]

[Sepultura123]

Always trying to see the more far away , trying to see undiscover thing in your closed eyes is a great way to do a WILD.

I think its the quickiest method.

[Lark]

I was hoping you guys could help me on my WILD problem. i haven't read all the posts on this topic, but I've read a shitload.

Everytime I try to do a WILD, even before hand if I'm planning on it, I get a tension in my chest. I think it's partly excitement, but mostly feels like fear, like I'm subconsciouslly trying to protect myself (from what I have no idea). Anyway, even though I'm relaxed, besides the tension, it's keeps me awake. So I tell myself, I'm going to let go and fall asleep like normal until I lose a little more consciousness to trick myself and then try again. But I always end up falling asleep (the tension does slowly recede when I decide not to WILD). Sometimes I do become aware again, but the tension just comes back I become fully conscious . So I let go again, but will fall asleep.

It's very frustrating and I was hoping somebody had tips on how to get rid of this fear or personal experiences to share because it's completetly subconscious and I can't control it. I've tried guided relaxation, deep breeathing. I do meditation to help w/ LDing but the tension has carried over into that. All ideas greatly appreciated.

Sorry this was so long, thanks for reading.

[Basilus West]

Hi Lark!

There are two solutions IMO. Either you work on the tension itself, that is, relaxing more deeply your face and the points on your chest where you feel a tension, then focusing on your breathing until you feel calm and happy. Or you decide to do the WILD steps progressively, that is you decide that you'll just experience with phosphenes one day (little fuzy dots you see eyes closed), another day you try to see HI, etc. until you'll fully become acquainted with the falling asleep process. I even think you have to do the both indeed.

As I think it will take you some time, you should try to practice another LD'ing induction method (DILD) in order not to discourage.

[Alextanium]

Something else I've noticed thats irritating.

When attempting to WILD, usually just before or just after the SP/HI stage, I get the urge to swallow, because I'm either producing a lot of saliva for some reason, or my mouth gets really dry. The act of swallowing usually breaks my concentration on the HI and just ruins the last 20 minutes of 'work'.

Not really anything anyone can do anything about i guess, its just bugging the crap out of me.

[Basilus West]

Hi Alextanium!

Swallowing and the urge to open eyes during relaxation and hypnagogic state are very common beginners problems. It will of course ruin your first WILD attempts but just don't worry and stay focused on your practice. It disappears with experience.

[Lark]

Thanks Basilus. Trying it in steps sounds like a great idea. I can't believe I didn't think of it.

[Rumisiel]

Hi, i have been trying to wild the past couple of days now with various degrees of succes. but my question is, what exactly is the HI?

is it the random pattern of colors dancing in front of my eyes?

or is it the images i put together from things i think of, eg: a horde of vikings charging at a city, a high speed flythrough throug a random town that doesent exist? (when i have thes images i can still feel my body lying in bed and i am aware of my being awake.

which one is it? i can focus on both and it does work a little so this question is merely for clarity.

[Basilus West]

Random paterns of colors are called phosphenes. They are not HI. HI are images, like sort of visual thoughts, which appears randomly when you fall asleep.

[Baheglobob]

Hi all!
I am a new to theese forums and LD'ing, this is my third day actually knowing LD exist . I have for two days tryed to read as much as i could about LD and some ways to do it. I have read about MILD and WILD, and i thought that i would give WILD a chance! I didn't really thought that it would happen anything, i mean, i have only knew about its existence for two days.

However, last night i lay down and concentrated on my breathing, and counted every breath (breath in, 1. Breath out, 2. and so on)
after i while i felt as my body was realy heavy and i felt little tingels all over my body. After that my eyes started moving very spasmatic under my eyelids (REM?) and the "needle" feeling was much greater. My heart incresed its rate of pumping and i could hear it. I stayed in this "thing" for a while, and all of a sudden i saw white "flashes", looked like thunder almost, and i was so excited it goed away. I guess it's because i was to excited it got away. But im really glad that i managed to do a litte of it? All this taked place on like, 30minutes. Then i sat up in my bed, the little light that was in my room seemed to flash a little, so I did a RC (dunno why) and it was sucessfull.

So, i don't know. What should i do next? Practice more? I have read a little about something that you should roll around? Whats up with that?

Best regards // Isak

[Bruno]

Well, Isak, I think you're doing good

I don't think I ever heard of a person who manage to WILD on their first attempt. So my advice for you is—keep trying!

You could do some relaxation exercises and practise meditation, if that's possible for you, that would help with the euphoria. But you don't need to worry, if you keep trying, you'll end up WILDing faster then you think.

Good luck

—Bruno

[Eyegug]

im new here

ive been working on WILD for about 2 weeks now. i have trouble getting HI but i definately can get to SP and sometimes i hear some HS.

my real problem is, i get to this point and i can clear my mind pretty well, but i always have trouble falling asleep. ive been looking into the brainwave generator at http://www.bwgen.com/ but im not really sure what the best settings are for having a WILD. is the bwgen a good approach, or should i not try it? if it is a good way to go, what is th best preset to use? or should i make my own?

thanks,
eyegug

[MatrixManNe0]

Perhaps you could combine it with WBTB so you're already tired anyway.

If you're using BWGen, I think you should only use it to get you near sleep, but that's just what I've been using it for. You could use it to get you to the beta brainwave state (I believe there's info on the readme), but be careful, because the normal sleep induction preset will get you to delta waves instead.