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Mohegan
Mond Tanz
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Location: Spiritual Forest - West Yorkshire |
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| when attempting WILD and I feel the need to shift positions, I just do it |
That's you. Doesn't mean others are the same. I stay in one possition that I find my self comfortable in.
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| When you relieve this body stress and become more comfortable, there is an immediate increase in body relaxation. |
No matter how close I am to sleep, moving wakens me completely. (unless I am asleep) But the conscious effort of moving will undo any relaxation I had going on.
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| As in your brain falls asleep, but your body decides "what a lovely evening, should I take a stroll over by that cliff or over by the lions?" |
I don't know about you, but my body is ruled by my brain so I doubt it's going to think much of anything on it's own.
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I think the fact that he posted 3 times discredits him enough. |
You've been here 3yrs and don't have 100posts yet. That one works both ways.
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Zaedros
Dream Entity
Age: 29
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Joined: 05 May 2006
Last Visit: 12 May 2010
Location: Helsinki, Finland |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Like [Darkness Myth] here said, many people, including me, stay still when relaxing. Conscious moving always wakes me up completely.
The feel to need to change position is irritating and does not help relaxing, no, but it passes away quite quickly. At least for me.
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Basilus West
Cat of Ulthar
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Last Visit: 01 May 2012
Location: At the foot of the Pyrenees |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| and for survival reasons would be dangerous for the body to go to sleep before the mind has. |
I don't think he speaks about normal sleep. I suppose it's merely about adaptation in environment.
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| So the what happens is the body tests the mind to see if it's asleep. If you lay with a silent mind very still for about 25 minutes and are nicely relaxed, your body will eventually send a very strong signal to your mind saying "I'm uncomfortable, please shift your position in bed." But this is just a ruse! The body is not really uncomfortable, it's just testing to see if it can get a response from the mind. |
It's an interesting idea. I've already read it before. It may be true and it may explain all the very common itching, little pains, etc. relaxation problems.
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| Someone mentioned it was useful information, "look at all those links". Hey, they all go to the same site. I think the fact that he posted 3 times discredits him enough. |
I completely agree with you, ArtieJ. If you google a little, you'll find that the same message has been posted many times on different lucid dreaming and astral forums, so that it was a spam for an old website which does no more exist. I'll suppress the links in the three spam posts he has done, they are no more existing indeed.
(And yes! there is a difference between posting 3 spams and 100 useful posts, Darkness Myth.  )
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Artie J
Somniologist
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Last Visit: 23 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Well, I don't know how useful, just my opinion, haha. I've had a three year steady commitment to the study and exploration of Lucid Dreaming, I just don't have a lot of time to hang out on BBs, what with having a full time and a part time job.
The core idea of the body testing the mind is indeed interesting, but it bothers me a little. I don't think of the body as it's own conscious entity that can make decisions. That sounds more like the brain to me. But I suppose it could just be genetically preprogrammed body behavior that is happening at the chemical level. Maybe governed by lower brain regions.
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| I don't know about you, but my body is ruled by my brain so I doubt it's going to think much of anything on it's own. |
Well, of course it's not "thinking", that was just a whimsical expression. People do sleep walk you know, when the body suppression mechanism doesn't work like it's supposed to.
In retrospect, I suppose both conditions are potentially detrimental to survival. You wouldn't want to be walking by the cliff when your body suddenly decides to take a nap either.
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| No matter how close I am to sleep, moving wakens me completely. (unless I am asleep) But the conscious effort of moving will undo any relaxation I had going on. |
I understand, I experience the same thing when I am very close to falling asleep. I just find that in the process of trying to get relaxed, if I shift positions to get comfortable, it seems to help me relax quicker. I don't have to endure as long a period of time to get to the transition point. It's true once you reach a certain point of relaxation, you have to remain still.
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