That’s an interesting idea actually. I’m not going to try it just yet, as I want to see if I can do it while staying awake fully for 30 minutes. It’s something I might consider as another possible method if this doesn’t work though. Thanks for the idea
Yeah, my grandfather claimed he used to be able to do that when he was in the war. He would be given the job of guarding a position at night, but nothing would happen for ages, so he would tell himself, “I will fall asleep for 30 minutes”, and he would be able to automatically awake 30 minutes later.
If you think about it though, if you can program yourself to awake at a certain time, wouldn’t it be possible to program yourself to simply have a lucid dream at that time instead of waking up first? Just an idea.
Well you can try. But your body already has an inbuilt timer for you to wake up and by saying when you are going to wake up it just changes the timer. However, your body does not have an inbuilt LD timer, so it is much harder for you to make a timer and then set it.
i don’t think it will work to give you a ld, but you can wake yourself up and not move, then try entering the dream you just left. It should most likely work.
About my previous post stating that I live in the top bunk at school and my roommate would get pissed if I had my alarm going off at 5 in the morning, that problem is gone though. Heres the solution! Dont get along with him, he will move out and you have the room by yourself! lol, thats what happened with us. Its not like I did it on purpose, but it worked out for the better, and now I can try to LD every night! Just thought I should share.
I have been thinking some more about WBTB, and I have come up with some thoughts on what I think would make a good WBTB method…
1 - Need to get out of bed (as stated before)
2 - Need to do something to do with LDs (as stated before)
BUT ALSO:
3 - Need to do something which you don’t normally do in waking life. This is my new idea. My theory is this: If you read about LDs and you are doing it in a situation identical to normal waking life, then there might not be anything within that which particularly sets it apart from waking life. What I mean is, you might simply dream that you are reading the LD forum and not realise you’re dreaming. My idea is to simply do something slightly different, which you wouldn’t normally do.
I have got a couple of LD FAQs which I printed off from the LD newsgroup and from a different LD website. My plan is to get out of bed, and sit in a position I wouldn’t normally sit in, and read the FAQs, either for 30 minutes or until I have read them both completely (whichever happens first). I’m thinking maybe simply sitting sideways on my bed, because this is something I never do in normal life.
I’m just thinking that this might imprint itself better on my subconcious if I’m doing something different.
If that doesn’t work, then maybe I could try more different situations, such as going downstairs to a completely different room, or even sitting in an empty bath with my clothes on while I read. Maybe the weirder the better, because then I might dream about it and I might think, “Hey, why am I sat in the bath reading about lucid dreams? Hey, this could be a lucid dream!”
One way I’m also thinking of trying it, is to maybe do the complete opposite - not do any reading on LDs, and spend far less time awake. Just enough to become fully awake. Stand up, maybe do a few stretches or something, make sure I fully wake up, and then just go straight back to bed.
I’m still trying to perfect my WBTB method. I just go back to sleep counting 1 I’m dreaming, 2 I’m dreaming…ect. It only works, though, if I give it a full effort. Some nights, I’m too tired to do it right.
I’m curious if anyone has any thoughts about the comparison between WBTB and afternoon naps… naps are generally easier for me to schedule and actually get me more sleep rather than interruption and less sleep.
I’ve had more success with naps in the past, but the last couple of times, my NovaDreamer gave me only 2 cues in a 2-hr nap which would indicate to me that I had very little REM.
So it seems like the consensus is the WBTB (combined with MILD or WILD) is best for most people. What do y’all think?
i alitlle dont like the WBTB .well i sleep…look on the watch…mmmmyyyyyymmmm its 3.00 Am…must…get up…oh crap i am going to sleep. thats why i dont like WBTB
3am, yuck! never! i will stay up till 3am sometimes but not get up … nonono.
That’s why I was saying I have trouble scheduling it because the only way I’m doing it is if I get up at 6-7 ish after getting about 7.5 hrs sleep … then it’s not so bad… but I haven’t gotten any LD’s from the several times I’ve tried it recently.
Today they’re letting us out of work a few hours early for the holiday and I’m gonna NAP!
Generally for people like you Sruthan you should get out of bed and do something that really requires full wakefullness such as sunning in place or practicing a martail art and then read about Lucid dreaming and go to bed.
The sam thing that happens to OneWingedAngel happens to me. when its school days, i have no ld’s, and crap dream recall. if i actually remember my dream, its got something to do with school, just typing this i can recall 2 long, slightly vivid dreams i’ve had during school days.
i have a tip for you OneWingedAngel its helped with my dream recall during the school days:
when your in your first class in the morning, write a big clear letter ‘C’ on your hand, where you likely to see it when you check the time on your watch or when your writing. the ‘C’ stands for ‘Conciosness’. once you see the ‘C’ you should stop what your doing and look around the room for dream signs, and ask yourself ‘am i dreaming?’, you could even do a reality check. but you should make sure EVERY time you see it, do an RC etc. your most likely to have a dream about doing school work, talking to friends/teachers or walking around the school.
This has helped me bypass the pressure of school, and sometimes benefit from the pressure. it works pretty well. try it.
Tjis must be getting a little frustrating, try thinking about something you would reallyu like to do in your next lucid/nonlucid dream bnefore you go to bed.,
i did think of something i’d like to do, but instead, i had a dream about shopping with my relatives Why? i have no idea.
i ahve been having at least one dream a night these days, im hopeing pre-lucidity will come next.
i’ve been listening to that la Berge interview allot these days, i think that may have something to do with?
What I like about WBTB is when you goto sleep you’re concious that this is not IT. The night is not over. You’re not giving up on today. To people who don’t dream, a group I once belonged to, this is what sleep meant. Thus the longer you stay up the longer the day is. However with LDing and specificly WBTB you’re aware that Sleep is a period of time all its own.
I actually enjoyed getting up at 3 and staying awake till 4 this week… And the fact that I knew I was going back to bed later made it painless.
Now, if only I could get some lucid dreams out of this
for the holiday and I’m gonna NAP!
you should stop what your doing and look around the room for dream signs, and ask yourself ‘am i dreaming?’, you could even do a reality check. but you should make sure EVERY time you see it, do an RC etc. your most likely to have a dream about doing school work, talking to friends/teachers or walking around the school.
Why? i have no idea.