The Big WBTB Topic

Sureal

Have you tried going right back to sleep? Staying up only a few minutes to memorize your dream and do MILD. It might not work for you but, on the other hand it might be a solution to your problem.

…But definately get up and, if possible, look at your dream diary for a bit. At least.

Just a quick question for everyone then, how long to do you normally stay up when you are performing MILD?

Like I said in my post I usually stay up only a few minutes (and rarely get lucid) but if I stay up a few hours I almost always get a lucid dream.

ypm.

Normally I stay awake for 20-30 minutes. Sometimes more (if I’m motivated :smile: ). If I’d stay awake for hours I don’t think I could fall back asleep, unless I’m really really tired… But due to school I can’t do it anyway. How much one has to stay awake for good results depends from person to person, but I wonder if there’s an overall optimal time period to stay awake in order to have the best results (in general ofcourse).

ypm

Just long enough to go to the bathroom and maybe write a few sentences in my dream journal. About 3-5 minutes on average 8-10 minutes tops.

Alright, tonight I’m going to perform WBTB and stay up for at least 5 minutes, just long enough to write down some information regarding the dream.

Then I’ll try 10 minutes the next night, I’ll see what happens and then post the results here.

ypm.

Well I’ve tried 5 minutes so far and didn’t get a lucid dream. I used the MILD technique and ended up having a dream in the location of the dream scene that I was replaying.

I wasn’t lucid but I was controling some aspects of the dream environment with my mind, i.e. filling bottles of booze back up. I’ll see what 10 minutes does.

ypm.

I have found that 5 minutes works best for me. When I stay up more than 5 minutes, I cannot fall back to sleep again.

I don’t think it’s nessicarily how long you stay awake but how awake you become (although obviously the longer you stay awake, the more ‘awake’ you’re likely to become). What I mean is if i only stay up for 10 or so minutes I still feel mentally groggy and not very alert. When this happens chances of getting a WILD LD are almost zero. However if I stay up for 30 mins / and hour I feel fully alert and am almost garunteed to LD. This morning I woke up for an hour but spent most of it dozing in bed and didn’t feel very alert or awake the whole time. No surprise I didn’t have a proper lucid dream (although I did have a very low level lucid dream that lasted a few seconds).

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I have tried to only stay up for a few minutes and that doesn’t seem to help at all, even if I’m very awake mentally . I would say that one should be up atleast 10 minutes and probably no more that 30 minutes.

I’m usually awake for 30 minutes. Seems to be working out well for me.

Can the length of sleeping before awaking change if you will lucid dream? Monday night I tried 6 hours of sleeping before getting up for 30 minutes and going back to bed. Last night I tried 5 hours and got up for 30 minutes.

Anybody know if 6 hours is more successful, or…?

I think that 6 hours would be more successful based upon the REM cycle. You would be having longer dreams and such after 6 hours.

Plus I’ve always found that the more sleep I get the better WBTB works for me.

ypm.

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Yeah but the more sleep you get the harder it will ultimately be to fall back asleep, no?

I can fall back asleep in only a few minutes after staying up for about 30.

Whenever I attempt WBTB, I stay up an hour or two. It seems to work though.

I find that if I stay up longer than 10 min it is disturbing to the quality of my sleep. I will not feel rested. 5-10 minutes seems to work good for me with WILD.

Does anyone have any good ideas about how to drag oneself out of bed to do WBTB. I have tried putting my alarm so far away that I have to get up to turn it of. That hasn’t helped that much. I usually end up going back into the bed and falling asleep again. The times I have been able to get up I have usually gotten a LD. Or maybe I just should let my internal clock wake me up instead. Any suggestions are welcome.

From lucidity.com:
Staying up x minutes and performing MILD when going back to bed.
20 persons participated, 11 nights

60 Min, gives 60% chance of getting a LD
30 Min, gives 50% chance of getting a LD
10 Min, gives 10% chance of getting a LD
No WBTB about 3% chance of getting a LD

If someone what’s to read the artice: www.lucidity.com/NL63.RU.Naps.html

seems like WBTB rocks big time :grin:

This is interesting. What’s also nteresting is that I would think that these WBTB numbers would be inversly proportional to success wth WILD - as WILD is associated more with brief awakenings.

You could always jump online and browse the forum or talk to us in the chatroom. :smile:

A few months ago (while I was experimenting with the Suneye WBTB technique), I used to coordinate my efforts with Stokesy, who lives in the same timezone as myself. We’d arrange to meet in the ld4all chatroom about 6 hours after we went to sleep, then we’d spend the hour chatting and discussing other methods for lucid dreaming. A couple of times one of us slept past the designated meeting time, but at least we were more motivated in general. :smile: