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milod789
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Not to change the subject, but way back of page one of this gigantic post I saw where someone mentioned hooking up a strobe light to a timer and setting the timer to flash at times you expect to be in Rem sleep.
It seems to be me that this would be an incredible inexpensive and easy method to use for becoming lucid as you would merely need to set the timer to go off every hour and half.
Not only that but I think a strobe light could possibly even be more effective than wearing a mask since whenever I used to use the Nova Dreamer I usually just ripped it off and threw it on the other side of room in my sleep anyway. Not to mention the fact that it was a piece of *** that didn't work right.
Has anyone tried a strobe light with a timer or have any suggestions on what to look for in buying one ? |
That was me. Yes, it did work (for me anyways). I have not used it in some time but, when I go through drys spells I pull it out and it works great. It takes some time to play with it to get the timing right. But the hole set up cost me less than $50.00 so the extra time it took me was well worth it. If you wanted you could also hook up a tape player as well so you would also get audio cues.
As for all others who have had problems with wellness tools and this guy Bruce:
I think you should all ban together and file a class action lawsuit. That is what your friend is talking about. A lawyer probably won’t do it pro bono but on a contingency fee which means he will only get paid if he wins.
I know that lucidity.com used to have a link to Wellness Tools. If they still do I am going to write to Labarge and ask him to take down the link.
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iadr
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks milod789 for the great inspiration you have given me with that idea of yours. I have just spent the entire evening changing my bedroom around around so that my computer monitor will be facing me when it turns into a strobe light during my expected rem cycles. I think this is the missing key I have been looking for. Thanks again. 
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milod789
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Cool! Let me know how it works out for you. I am curious to see if this works for anyone else.
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Shaper
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:27 am Post subject: |
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As far as I know LaBerge and the Lucidity Institute were working on developing the new Nova Dreamer with Bruce, but the deal fell through and Bruce went solo......I wonder why that happened 
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Sushupti
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As far as I knopw, Bruce just likes to lie a lot. I remember somehting about this on the lucidity institute forum, I think. IIRC TLI was considering a distribution deal with Bruce, and nothing more. Bruce exagerrates to make himself sound better.
This part I'm not sure of, but just recently in an email Bruce claimed he was workign with stephen on something for the future NOW, and I mailed TLI and they said they weren't. Apparently Bruce met stephen, gave him a Dream Maker, and MIGHT be exchanging emails of some sort; and to him this means "I am in communication with Dr Stephen Laberge of Lucidity Institute and we will be doing something together shortly."
The man takes wishful thinking to a whole new level, at least.
I've been "in communication" with him for a while though, and if he isn't an outright "Bad Man Trying to Screw Me," he is at the very LEAST a "Not Very Good Businessman."
And if he doesn't become at least a slightly better businessman very soon, he won't have much of a business left.
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milod789
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I sent the lucidity institute an e mail as well. I will also talk to Dr. Labarge directly. I think with everyone contacting him about Bruce it is very unlikely that he will involve the lucidity institute with such a disgraceful business person.
With all the people who have posted here I think Bruce is far more than just a bad business person. I will tell you that I would never buy any of his products.
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Sushupti
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| milod789 wrote: |
I sent the lucidity institute an e mail as well. I will also talk to Dr. Labarge directly. I think with everyone contacting him about Bruce it is very unlikely that he will involve the lucidity institute with such a disgraceful business person.
With all the people who have posted here I think Bruce is far more than just a bad business person. I will tell you that I would never buy any of his products. |
Wish I'd come to this thread before I did, that's for sure... I won't spare efforts making sure he doesn't screw anyone again, that's for sure... as of today, I'm done just asking him for my money back.
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buddy
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sushupti what steps do you plan to take now?
i don't know how bruce can sleep at night. im sure he will get whats coming.
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milod789
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well just out of curiosity I took a second and visited lucidity.com. In their forum they also have people complaining about wellness tools.
Anyway, I hope you people who were defrauded by Bruce really go after him. I don’t know how he can sleep at night either.
On another note- The rem-dreamer might be ok. It seems that they do have a problem with shipping, so expect a long delay if you order one. In the forums I have read no one has posted how well it worked so I guess we will have to wait to see.
BTW- Someone at Lucidity.com had the same idea as mine about the strobe light. I hope it works for people.
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Sushupti
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The people who make the VibraLite3, Global Assistive something, have an alarm clock with bed vibrator, and strobe light options... they make these things for deaf people, but no reason we shouldn't have fun with them, too
As for how I'll go after bruce; nothing special, just the regular legal stuff... I filed a complaint with paypal, I'll see how that works out. If it doesn't, I sue him. And if I sue him, for the money, lawyer fees, and try to shut him down so he can't continue screwing people over like that... This will probably involve rounding up others he screwed over for a class action.
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buddy
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Sushupti any news?
thanks
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Reyth
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A better way will be make a deal with your dog so when you enter REM he will pee in your face so you can become wet lucid.  |
LMAO
(I apologize for this post, I wrote it before I got to the part about people losing alot of money...
I'm going to leave it here as it kind of describes what this guy is doing to people.
That was one of the most shameful pieces of behavior I have ever witnessed from a business owner. He practically turned into a child right infront of us. Very scary.)
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big ben
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Sepultura123
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You're talking about Robert Bruce ? The famous astral projector ?
What does he have done to have such a bad reputation ?
I dont know a lot about famous people related to dream.
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milod789
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:32 am Post subject: |
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You're talking about Robert Bruce ? The famous astral projector ?
What does he have done to have such a bad reputation ?
I dont know a lot about famous people related to dream. |
No people are talking about Bruce Gelerter of Wellnes Tools.
What has he done to get a bad reputation? Well, read the thread and draw your own conclusions.
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