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Shaper
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 Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| So lucid dreams are sort of like a 'vent' for you?
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Wyvern
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yes.
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Shaper
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:33 am Post subject: |
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That's really interesting 
I used to think of violence in dreams as something that I wouldn't really want to consider, because I feel that since it's all in my own mind, I could actually be harming myself. I'd never considered using it as a medicinal tool for release. Very interesting 
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Sepultura123
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Killing is not something that I would do in LD . And even if i would , I would think its immoral. Like many say , youre surely hurting yourself.
But sex is not immoral. This is a good way to experience before doing it IRL. Like with many other Nd or LD.
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Fante
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: |
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I don't kill in dreams as much as I used to. The last time I killed an innocent in an LD it made my dream-stomach churn, so I've been avoiding it.
Since then, kills have been self-defense. If a DC gets in my way, I've been trying to intimidate them and make them leave that way. If they won't budge whatsoever... I'll just use a gun and make it swift and clean. (I used to make it much more painful. If I didn't use claws or teeth, then... Well, ever seen the movie Alien?)
Or maybe I'll get a giant eraser and erase them, or spill a magic potion on them that makes them disappear and reappear somewhere nice... Like Hawaii.
As for the other, more intimate side of morality discussions... I'm less restrained.
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Wolf
Pshy psh psh...
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Okay, here's my stand:
Is it moral?
Yes, killing and having relations everywhere you go isn't exactly peachy-keen, but it isn't someone IRL you're hurting. WHY you would want to go around doing that is beyond me. (well, the killing part at least  ) If you have a mind that thinks that way, then I don't suppose it's *too* horrible... depends on what you believe.
Do/would you do it?
I, personally, would never do that to my innocent DCs. They help me so much, and my brain would feel guilty that they'd hate me in the next dream.  I'm not a very violent person unless threatened, and I would only want a relationship IRL. (Yes, I do have a lot of morals. ^^)
Let's put it this way: Though I try to be open about the matter, I probably wouldn't respect you as much if you purposely did it.  (the exception, of course, being if it was in self-defense or if you weren't lucid enough to resist)
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Wyvern
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| It's not like they're real people. And it certainly doesn't feel like I'm harming myself in anyway so why not?
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Wolf
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I have rather strict morals, so I'm not saying whether or not it's harmful. All I'm saying is that if you can't fight basic urges, then I've lost a bit of respect for you.
Sorry... I'm just a bit weird about that. Have a few pervert friends that warped my mind. ^^
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Wyvern
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Alright then. I don't consider myself weak-minded though. I just get a great satisfaction out of it. Sure, I could go without it but I choose not to because I don't see the harm in it.
Oh well, violence isn't the only thing I do in my LDs. I love flying as do most people with LDs.
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Sepultura123
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Its just ''You do it if you want to , but dont be angry because of the consequence later''.
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Wyvern
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| What consequences?
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Sepultura123
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By killing DC you're just killing your own self.
The next Dc on your next ND could act like total jackass and nightmare could be more often.
And IRL , the feeling of murder could be really pointed down and it could lead to violence problem.
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Wyvern
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| By killing DC you're just killing your own self. |
I'm not killing anyone else at least and I certainly don't feeled killed in the moning. More like refreshed which is different from my normal depressed mood.
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The next Dc on your next ND could act like total jackass and nightmare could be more often. |
I consider these good dreams and my nightmares usually turn into LCs. Besides, my nightmares are barely nightmares.
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And IRL , the feeling of murder could be really pointed down and it could lead to violence problem. |
I've explained that in my first post. The only thing that stops me from hurting or killing people is the Bible. I have enough self control that I'm not going to do it in RL.
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Jack
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Killing in lds does not necesarily mean doing any harm to yourself.
We can say who we are due to knowing things that we are not.When we are young we do all possibile things and some of them we call mistakes later on in life.But if not that we would keep on repeating them,no knowledge,no development.Thats obvious.
So anything you do and this applies to morals too is good or bad depending on how you look at things.Look at above posts- some ppl see DCs as not real beings and can kill them like they kill pixels on the screen.Some see it differently and dont.Both are right cuz ultimate judge is ones own mirror.
As for me its about experience- i would act out of intuition and see.Propably sometimes id kill and sometimes i wouldnt- but anyhow id know much more about myself as a whole(this including whats the dark side in me)
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quantum physics
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ive got a solution if you kill someone in your dream you bring them back to life and give them a present to compensate for their short death 
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