The BIG WILD Topic - Part XII

[Dark Sider]

When you float out, you just stand on the ground, or fly through the roof, do what ever you want. Or maybe try to stabilize the dream.
As for the RC, sometimes when trying to WILD, you enter the dream without realising it. It happened to me before. It's really confusing when you are 100 % sure you're still awake, but you're in fact dreaming. Maybe if you don't do a RC and you fall back asleep you won't even know that you were dreaming. I suggest you do the nose RC: hold your nose shut so you can't breathe through it any more, and try to inhale. If you can, then you are dreaming. Do that when you get the sensations, and then they go away and you think that you were unsuccessful.

[Daita]

wow interesting.. ok, so while Im floating away if I open my eyes Ill be opening my "astral eyes" right? and I should be able to see my body still laying down..? because I was so sure that if I opened my eyes durring the moment I felt i could move my astral body that I would instantly wake up.

[Dark Sider]

I think the best thing is to go with it naturally and without thinking too much. I'm not sure what you would see, every one experiences this differently, but while it is happening, try not to think about what you should do, just do it. It will increase your chances of success. I usually don't float away, but just enough to sit on the bed, than I walk around like in any other lucid dream. If things go the way they do with me, your movements and everything else at first will feel like you're just imagining them, but then they will become real.

[Christopher]

Ok i'm so frustrated right now. This morning my cat woke me up, and I yelled at it for waking me up in the middle of a good dream, but then I thanked it because now I can try WILD. I went and used the bathroom, drank a little bit of coke, then went and layed back down.

After a while my whole body was VERY heavy. (I think this couldve been a form of SP, but I don't know cause i've never experienced SP before.) I didn't try to move or anything, I just kept making sure I was relaxed, because I noticed every now and then my whole body was tensed up.

After a while, not sure how long, I started seeing images of a big tree, just the top at first, then it would flash away. Then it would come back with more of the picture in view, the sun, then the whole tree w/ sun, then eventually a lake, but I was still very away of the heaviness feeling on my body which caused me to be aware of the matress and all that stuff.

So I layed and waited and not to much longer, I started hearring this weird noise, that was obviously my imagination, it didn't last that long and when it was over I kept seeing a picture of a room I was familiar with. I was imagining me walking around, and tried to reach my hand out and grab something, but no success. But I was still very aware of my body and the matress it was on.

I kept this up for a long time and eventually gave up. I was able to open my eyes and see my room and slowly let my body catch up with me, went and used the bathroom and just went to sleep, because I layed there for over an hour and a half and was dead tired.


What can I do differently next time? or what did I do wrong this time? I guess one thing I'm not sure about is, I was thinking a LOT. It's hard to clear out my head, but even when I was walking around the room I was still thinking a lot. But other then that I don't know what I could have or should have done.

[Lucidity_Master]

I would recommend that you not think alot, if you need to think about something focus on that one thing and hold your focus there. Also don't try to move around until you have no feeling of your body.

Though I will say when you were seeing all those images you were pretty close. Next time you might want to try gently "projecting" yourself into the image.

[milod789]

I completely agree with Lucidity_Master. Thinking is your enemy and will get you stuck in that stage. You want to pick one thing to focus on( breathing, counting, HI, falling, spinning just to name a few examples) Let go of all other thoughts. From there, you just sort of let things happen. Just remember thoughts, feeling etc will keep you too awake to completely cross over into the dream. If you find yourself thinking about something other than what you are focusing on, and you will, gently push the thought away and return to your point of focus.

Anyway, you were very close so keep practicing.

[saeghwin]

I'm getting really aggravated and frustrated as well now.

Last night was the second night I had even tried WILDing, and I hadn't been practicing any LD stuff for a couple of months, but still. I went to sleep at about 11:20, woke up at 5:18 because my alarm didn't go off at 5:00, I read for about 30-40 minutes and then got back in bed.

My main problem is not thinking or focusing on one thing. Most of my body relaxes, but then I still 'manually' control my breathing, so my chest/lung area is very active. I laid straight on my back, which is not normal for me, but I read it was the best way to do it.

I had gotten to sleep very easily during the rest of the night, so I thought I might have some luck. But again, there wasn't one thing to focus on, I wasn't really having any HI as far as I thought. I mean I saw some different colors some times, and I can very faintly make out images of things I am thinking about, but I can't really concentrate on them without thinking about something else, or thinking about posting here. I think I may have schizophrenia.

Should I count? That might make me more awake than I already was though. Should I focus on my breathing? Which part of my breathing? The sound, chest movement (doubtful), or just focus on the rhythm? Or should I try to picture something?

I am very confused. After a while, I become uncomfortable, my mind wanders, and then I realize I am thinking too much and get up.

What should I do?

[saeghwin]

I'm getting really aggravated and frustrated as well now.

Last night was the second night I had even tried WILDing, and I hadn't been practicing any LD stuff for a couple of months, but still. I went to sleep at about 11:20, woke up at 5:18 because my alarm didn't go off at 5:00, I read for about 30-40 minutes and then got back in bed.

My main problem is not thinking or focusing on one thing. Most of my body relaxes, but then I still 'manually' control my breathing, so my chest/lung area is very active. I laid straight on my back, which is not normal for me, but I read it was the best way to do it.

I had gotten to sleep very easily during the rest of the night, so I thought I might have some luck. But again, there wasn't one thing to focus on, I wasn't really having any HI as far as I thought. I mean I saw some different colors some times, and I can very faintly make out images of things I am thinking about, but I can't really concentrate on them without thinking about something else, or thinking about posting here. I think I may have schizophrenia.

Should I count? That might make me more awake than I already was though. Should I focus on my breathing? Which part of my breathing? The sound, chest movement (doubtful), or just focus on the rhythm? Or should I try to picture something?

I am very confused. After a while, I become uncomfortable, my mind wanders, and then I realize I am thinking too much and get up.

What should I do?

Edit: Also, what about swallowing, my mouth gets really dry after a while, and I don't want to swallow because it kind of gets me out of whatever I was in.

[Xetrov]

Hey noanswer42,

Dont frustrate yourself. LD'ing isnt like fastfood all the time! You only tried it 2 times, id ay after 200 times with no luck, go ahead and be frustrated. Your main problem is a common one and you;re definately not scitzo . If you want to inprove on focussing on 1 thing try zazen meditation, helps a lot. About focussing on counting or breathing or even HI, try them all (even a combination might work) several times, and go with what gives you best results, as each person is different and has succes with different methods. And about swallowing, try not to focus on that but dont force it! Since our minds dont like to be foreced it might actually make it harder not to focus on it. After a while if you get deep enough into a WILD you probbaly will forget about the whole thing anyway. Good luck with it!

[saeghwin]

Thank you very much for your reply. I was just reading something over at the Lucidity Institute forums and found someone talking about their success with a metronome. Has anyone here tried that? It's supposed to act as a reminder to stay concious while acting kind of as a reality check and putting you in a trance at the same time. Either way I'll keep trying, oh well.

[milod789]

When doing WBTB/WILD have you tried going right back to sleep instead of staying up for 20-30 minutes? It works very well for a lot of people. I have found that this helps me slip through into dreaming at light speed.

Anyway, sorry for the late reply but I have been busy with the holidays and all so I have not been on as much.

Good luck

[dd dd]

I have a good method i think to get the feel of HI for beginning WILDers out there:

If you have a night lamp turn that on or else just leave your reg. light on. Then leave your eyes open and try to just zone out. Try to not focus on anything that your looking at.
Eventually you should start to see some weird things like walls moving and patterns appearing out of nowhere.

Although you cant go straight into a lucid dream from this it is good to get the feel for what HI is and it helps with whatever WILD tech you use.

[TheBrainSlug]

Last night, trying to go to sleep, I was trying the counting method. (1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming...) My hand spasmed once. I kept going... about 150 "I'm dreaming"s later, my bed felt like it rocked, as if someone had stuck a jack under the foot of my bed and was lifting it. It scared the pants off me!

Browsing the site today, I found that it was normal to have sensations like that. But to that extent?

[Rairai]

I did a WILD tonight, i fell asleap at about 22:00,
My timer was at 5 and then i tried to go straight back to sleep while MILDing. It took me 20-30 minutes *sigh*
I just driften in and out of sleep and i came to a point where i was concious, but i wasn't awake.
I wanted to try and change something so i made a flower in my palm.
Then i woke up, it was a light sleep.
Werry berry low lucid level in that dream, but maybe the start of greater lucidity. ^^

[TheBrainSlug]

I've kept trying and trying to WILD, but I've not yet gotten to the point where my body's asleep but my mind isn't. It's weird, though, because I can lay down and do that, and two hours will pass in what should be around five minutes.

Last night, I almost got to what I think might have been sleep paralysis. My legs started tingling and I felt waves of cold pass over me, once about every five or ten seconds. It wouldn't go past that, though, and I never saw hypnagogic (did I spell that right?) images..