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How to learn visualization from scratch
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<mod>I merged here some posts and threads about visualization techniques, so that people who want to improve this skill may find useful tips. Feel free to add techniques you are using, comment them or ask questions. ^^ </mod>

I've found that I can't visualize at all. That is, I can *imagine* there is an orange on my desk, but I don't *see* anything, not an outline, not a ghost image, nothing. I've been practising LD induction techniques (MILD, WILD) and have had some LDs (4 LDs in 2 months), but I feel that the LDs came because of my reading and thinking about it, not because of the techniques. I think maybe increasing visualization skills may help, and visualization as such interests me as well. So, I have a few questions for the gurus smile:

- How important are visualization skills for LD induction?
- Did anyone here develop good visualization skills starting from nothing?
- What is the best way to practice visualization? There are some exercises in Laberge EWLD, and I've read a bit that self hypnosis helps, but I have no experience at all in that.

Thanks for your help.


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

Well the only thing that comes to mind is to practice visualizing things My skills have gotten a bit better with practice, but I'm not sure how much though since I can't really remember how it was before I started.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

I have LDs without visualizations. Naturally, I cannot use a good few techniques, but there are so many of them, that I did find several for me.
But I, too, would like to learn to visualize… I can imagine an apple, I can imagine holding an apple, smelling an apple and even eating an apple, but I cannot imagine that I see it. grrr


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

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How important are visualization skills for LD induction?

They are important if you practise VILD ( of course ^^ ). In other techniques, I don't think they are such important.

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What is the best way to practice visualization?

I would say : just begin. You said you can "imagine" but not visualize. In my opinion, it's the first step of visualization. When you remember, when you imagine something, it's possible that you see no image, just have a feeling, but it will increase progressively with practise.

But I'm not a good "visualizer", comments by more experienced people would be welcome... grin


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i've done a course on meditation and intuitive development. In that one you had to visualize a lot of things as well.

some ppl had difficulty with visualising. The teachers always said: if you have trouble visualising it, then imagine what you would see if you could visualise it.

this seems weird but actually helps.

also ilana: imo you already visualize! You can touch it, smell it, etc, that is also visualizing! visualizing doesn't have to mean you can see it.

It also doesnt mean you can see it in full detail or something.

Try to let the images come to you, like opening a curtain and seeing the world outside from the window. You just look what's there to see. Don't worry if you see nothing. Thinking is very bad for visualising. As soon as your rational mind kicks in you will lose your image.

Don't THINK about the thing you want to visualise. Just call forth the image. Let it come. The more relaxed you are the more easy it generally is.

maybe it helps if you imagine to have a big tv in your head and you turn it on and watch it.


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

Thanks all! PasQuale, I'll try out your tips.
Regarding techniques: doesn't MILD require visualization as well? As I understand it, you are to set your intention and at the same time visualize your last dream scene, imagining you're becoming lucid in that scene? Or is just setting your intention enough?


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

Dreaming Parent wrote:
Doesn't MILD require visualization as well? As I understand it, you are to set your intention and at the same time visualize your last dream scene, imagining you're becoming lucid in that scene? Or is just setting your intention enough?

When you remember or imagine something, of course it's a kind of visualization. But I suppose you don't have problems in remembering your dreams, it's not such difficult. So, you can practise MILD.

In the beginning, when you imagine the scenery, you can find it easier if you mentally make some comments :"Waw, I'm flying, it must be a dream. I perform a RC, it works ! Now, I will do this..." etc...
But it's probably unuseful : all of us are always planning about anything in our lifes, and that is just what is required in MILD : planning about our next dream. ^^


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

Not many people can visualize so strong that they can actually see what they are visualizing.. Visualizing is pretty much the same as imagining anyways.

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pasQuale wrote:
also ilana: imo you already visualize! You can touch it, smell it, etc, that is also visualizing! visualizing doesn't have to mean you can see it.

It also doesnt mean you can see it in full detail or something.


Yes, I’d like to think so, too… But I’m afraid it’s a bit different. Maybe, I just formulated it wrong… The problem is that I first grab the apple, and only then imagine it… But the visualizations used in LDing need imagining things without moving a finger. And that’s what I never can do, unless I am already half-asleep (and no more need any visualizations, in fact). shy2


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PostPosted: Mon 01 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

And what if you grab the apple with an imagined hand ?

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

ah ok ilana smile

well, why does it have to be an apple? because i know if you want to visualize an apple and you think it doesn't work, that is because you in your mind want an exact duplication of the apple you just saw.

thy this one: try to visualisa an apple of another planet. What does it look like? how does it smell? what color does it have? how big is it? etc.


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PostPosted: Wed 10 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Very informative. I have had trouble visualizing before also.

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<mod>This discussion has been splitted from the thread How long does it take, because it described a visualization technique, and could be useful for VILD.</mod>

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Waw! It seems you have pretty good visualization skills! eek2 Please tell us in the BIG VILD topic if you have success with this technique.
Good luck! smile


hehehe... I'm not that good: I only have practice in such things as before I even knew what LD was I did self-hypnosis with NLP and the VAK (Visual-Auditive-Kinestesic perception modalities).
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So when I visualize something I know that I have to bring myself in an altered state of consciusness (that is done as I'm allready ancored to the particular mindstate and I can induce it when needed) so that to keep focus and lower my critical capacity that can well hamper my visualization process.
Then I visualize using visual detail, then auditive detail and in the end the kinestesic detail (skin and gut sensations, taste and smell).
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If you're not good or have no training to go into altered states you coul integrate visualization technique to go into altered states and do both things in one: you cold immagine for instance that you are exactly where you are and you can silently think of 5 visual attributes that contain things that are completely true, then 5 auditive attributes, then 5 kinestesic attributes of what you are experiencing in the present state. Then you go on with 4, then 3, then 2 and whe you're finished to one you should already be in altered states so you can go on visualizing for the VILD.

Example: I'm in my room, lying on my bed. I think to myself: "1)I see the light passing trough the window; 2) I see the white walls all around me; 3) I see the brown wood af my chair; 4) I see the different color of the books on my bookshelf; 5) I see the different pictures of the paintings I have in my room..." the I go auditive: "1) I hear the voices of the people in the other rooms; 2) I hear the nice singing of the birds outside in the garden; 3) I hear the low rumble of car trafic far in the streets; 4) I hear the muffled voice of the speaker of the tv set in an other apartment; 5) I hear the sound of my own breath..." then I go Kinestesic: "1) I feel my body lying on the bed; 2) I feel the back of my head slightly warmer where it connects with the pillow; 3) I feel the freshness of the morining air; 4) I feel the vibrations of my heart throug my chest; 5) I feel my toungue gently massaging my teeth and gums..." and then I tell to my self: "and as I view, hear and feel all these things I feel very relaxed..." and so on whith 4 attributes then 3 and so on until you feel in altered states (or if you like trance).
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I find this technique the most effective to put you in the right state of mind for visualizations.


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Visualization Assessment and Training Home Page :

http://viz.bd.psu.edu/viz/index.html


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

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Not many people can visualize so strong that they can actually see what they are visualizing.. Visualizing is pretty much the same as imagining anyways.

Really? Does this mean that few people can see an apple with their eyes closed, even if it just a weak ghost image? Or does seeing constitute a crystal clear image of an apple.

Personally, I can see the apple, although not in very high detail. It is kind of a ghost image, but weaker in a sense. Hard to explain really.

Some days my visualization abilities are stronger than other days. The best times for me are usually after getting back from work, when im tired. Then if I focus on it, the images creates themself. I do not have to mentally force them into being.

If anyone know any good books or websites on how to improve visualization, i'd love to hear about it.


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