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ilovelucid
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

pedro i would like for you to explain what it was like when you woke up from the 6 year dream.... and time does exist or we wouldn't age

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Everyone would like Pedro to return, but dont count on it...

As for your deduction, ilovelucid, I do believe it to be an oversimplification. However, yes, time exists; it is, in fact our perception of it that is faulty...


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

I believe time in a dream can be seemingly slowed down, to make the dream last for days or maybe even years.
As Einstien proved, time is relative. Also, there is a meditative technique called time distortion which some musicians practise, where you meditate untill you're perception of time is actually slowed down, thus, you can perform incredibly difficult or fast peices of music in 'slow motion', allowing you the time to make sure you play it right ^^
I believe the exact same thing can be done in a lucid dream, so I tend not to agree with LaBerge's theory about the 'movie' trick making our dreams seem longer.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Josh Redstone wrote:
I believe the exact same thing can be done in a lucid dream, so I tend not to agree with LaBerge's theory about the 'movie' trick making our dreams seem longer.

It's a combination of these 2 factors most likely. And slowing time down to the extend that you experience days or more in 1 hour or much less seems highly unlikely with only your explanation.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

I think time is time no matter how you look at it. There are still 24 hours in a day.

During dreams you can slow down time but not in RL.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

okay, time is just the measure of motion. if everthing in the universe right down to the last atom stopped moving right now...time wud effectively 'stop'. now in a dream, the is no movement (unless u want to count the electical pulses in ur brain...but then ur talkin about the speed of 'thought' which ,as far as i know, has not been measured). without motion there is no time. i dare to suggest that our concept of time in dreams (whether lucid or non lucid) is simply a product of what we are used to IRL. time is a law of physics just like gravity, and how many of us havnt at least bent if not broken the law of gravity in our dreams. laws of physics cannot be applied to dreams because there is nothing physical about them...which actually makes this entire thread pointless....if u want to put a time limit on dreams then u might as well try to weigh them next overspannen.

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Xetrov wrote:
Josh Redstone wrote:
I believe the exact same thing can be done in a lucid dream, so I tend not to agree with LaBerge's theory about the 'movie' trick making our dreams seem longer.

It's a combination of these 2 factors most likely. And slowing time down to the extend that you experience days or more in 1 hour or much less seems highly unlikely with only your explanation.


Ofcourse I haven't experimented with time distortion myself, so I was just speculating. I guess what I meant was, LaBerge's movie trick can't account soley for all 'time extensions' in dreams.
Your probably right, it could be a combination of the two theories.


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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Iluminada wrote:
I think time is time no matter how you look at it. There are still 24 hours in a day.

During dreams you can slow down time but not in RL.


Time is relative. Einstein came up with a formula for his relative time that has to do with your speed and its effect on time. This formula is called the time dilation factor. The time dilation factor theory says that the faster you go the slower time gets for you, because of this fact (it is also proven(, time is elastic and relative, not constant and thus time is not absolutly defined. Time and space are connected and this space-time could be stretched.

Also, adrealine released in your body in large amounts, slows down your perception of time, making you move faster in dangerous situations.

However this is only a theory, but a widely accepted one, which I beleive to be true ^^


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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

So we would need to be moving near lightspeed to have these effects in our dreams... hehe. Anyone has a bed called "enterprise"? lol.

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freedom88
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

lol I was just suggesting that if time is elastic, and if our perception of time can be altered via adreneline, then it may be possible to alter our perception of time in LD's ...

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

I don't know if it has been said before in this thread but neurotransmitters in you brain may dramatically modify your time perception. For instance, experiments have shown that duration between a cause and its effect seems shorter, probably so that it's easier for us to make a relation between them.

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

freedom88 wrote:
lol I was just suggesting that if time is elastic, and if our perception of time can be altered via adreneline, then it may be possible to alter our perception of time in LD's ...


In my next LD, I'm going to fly at the speed of light, that should get my adrenaline going ^^...maybe that'll mess with my dream time.


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

ah i am thinking that time is the same IWL as it is in LD in accordance with Laberge's experiments.
I do however believe that you can create a perception of any given period of time, be it 2 weeks or 2 years.
I have found that often times when i dream that i am somebody else, my subconcious will "create" memmories for that person in order to rationalize their actions and there place in my dreams, i belive that the same cane be for dreams, that you can expirience dreams of a seemingly extended period of time but only be dreaming real time, but having it feel like a long time due to the newly created "memories"

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Introspect
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Sep, 2005  Reply with quote

Albert Einstein wrote:
Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute and it feels like an hour. Sit next to a pretty girl for an hour and it feels like a minute. Now that's relativity!


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Sep, 2005  Reply with quote

lol, fits in nicely with your sig:p

but it's not that extreme, i think it's more like
Put your hand on a hot stove for half an hour and it feels like an hour. Sit next to a pretty girl for half an hour and it feels like a minute.
or something like that:p, but indeed, an unpleasant experience seems to take longer than a pleasant experience happening in the same period of time


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