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I've made a big topic with all the insomnia related threads I've found, in the hope you can find useful info.
For some people, reading helps, but for others it doesn't. You have to read stupid books which don't require intellectual effort.  Generally speaking, you have rather not to do intellectual work before going to sleep.
In a sleep laboratory, they did some "soft" researches about insomnia and they found that imagining a relaxing scene, like a landscape, was a good cure against insomnia. In the other hand, counting sheep requires a mental concentration and often leads to fall asleep later than normal.
Counting sheep no aid to insomnia
Here you can find a general article about insomnia:
Treatment Methods for Insomnia: Critical Evaluation
...but I don't think you'll find any practical tips.
In homeopathic treatments, you can take coffee (at homeopathic doses, of course!).
In herbal treatments or tea, chamomile, valerian and passion flower are said to be sedative.
I can stress enough the importance of a good sleep hygiene and of not doing any intellectual effort before going to sleep.
Try going to bed at the same time each night and get up at the same time each morning. Avoid napping during the day. Avoid eating a heavy meal late in the evening. Avoid stimulants like caffeine and nicotine at night. Caffeine (coca cola, coffee) has his maximal effect 5 hours after you drink it. Get regular physical exercise but not too near bedtime. Try progressive relaxation techniques to help you relax.
If you wake up during the night, don't stay in bed but get out of it, wait for 15 mn and go back to bed. I hope all this can help! 
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| Sleeping problems! Help needed |
| Posted: Fri 05 Aug, 2005 |
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I got a BIG problem every time i want to fall alseep i use about 1-2 hours before i sleep. When im lying in my bed and try to focus on sleeping, i start thinking of things like my driver license and World of warcraft and girls, Its like i cant help it.
Yesterday i was at my dads hous (i was sleeping there) and that night i didnt fall asleep for like 3 hours  i even checked the time.
Im in the stage were i only remember my dreams but
when ever i get a nightmare i feel that i got the control to end the dream(Wake up) I really need help falling asleep
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| Posted: Fri 05 Aug, 2005 |
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Hm have you tried drinking some hot milk? Valerian also helps very good to fall asleep easily, plus it gives a good dream recall. Or take a hot bath with lavender oil, right before you go to bed; it has a very relaxing effect on your body and mind. There are also some herbal teas which might help (linden, catnip, probably some more).
Hope this helped Good luck!
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| Posted: Fri 05 Aug, 2005 |
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Ah il try warming some milk before im going to bed and also il try to work out more at the day so i use more of my energy.
thx for the milk tips 
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| Posted: Sat 06 Aug, 2005 |
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Welcome Moto and Firesnake.
I myself believe in the warm milk. I believe it works wonders.
Omega3, vanilla icecream? Yuck!!
Why does it work?
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No clue, most likely the temperature inside my house is quite hot even at night and also how dairy products in general help you fall asleep. That same guy also said to try warm milk with powerdered milk in it...that tastes way worse.
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| Cant sleep :( |
| Posted: Wed 10 Aug, 2005 |
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Hello out there.
I kinda have a problem. I cant sleep. Or at least not verry much.
I go to bed about 00:00 - 01:00 and fall asleep around 03:00-04:30. And then i sleep like crap waking upp like very hour and when my mother screams at me at about 13:00 i usualy gett out of bed.
Its sucks gangsta ***. Since i cant sleep a normal amount of time. I cant have normal REM sessions and i therfor have serious problems with having more LDs and i like have crappy dream recall.
Does anny body know anny tricks to fall asleep.
Please help me 
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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Drink some good hot milk before going to bed It must be hot because cold milk doesn't work (because in hot milk there's far more tryptophan, a precursor to some important brain chemicals involved with sleep). It appears to help for a lot of people, so hopefully you're one of them
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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Well there is one catch. I dont dare to drink hot milk.  Since the last like 5 times i have done that i have experiensed extreeeeeeem stomache pain..... So i dont know realy. But preahaps Its worth a shot
Edit: And btw how hot does the milk have to be for it to be efective
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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Well if it causes you to have stomach pains, then you shouldn't drink it. I don't know if there's an optimal temperature.. it's probably not boiling temperature, but more like when you drink tea: let it boil for a minute, wait a few minutes and then drink it. Only guessing here though..
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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Hmm I wouldnt boil it (yuck), but thats personal preference... perhaps it needs to be boiled for more effectiveness?
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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Could be.. As far as I understand it, warming up the milk causes a chemical reaction whereby a great amount of tryptophan is released. So yeah, boiling it might enhance its effects.
If you don't like hot milk, there are other foods you can try. As long as they contain a large amount of tryptophan or other sleep-related chemicals. For instance:
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Foods with large amounts of tryptophan include warm or hot milk (but not cold milk), eggs, cottage cheese, chicken, turkey, fish, soybeans, mustard greens, barley, lima beans, spinach, yogurt and cashews. Fruits like dried dates, figs, papaya, banana, strawberries, sweet cherries, orange, mango, pineapple, grapefruit, and hazelnuts will optimize seratonin production, and nuts, raw salmon, tuna and mackerel are high in B3. Carbohydrate-rich foods, such as pasta, bread, cereal, crackers, etc. also lead to a high production of seratonin.
Foods to avoid before bedtime include bacon, cheese, ham, sugar, wine, and tomatoes. These contain tyramine, which causes the release of norepinephrine, which stimulates the brain.
It is important not to go to bed too hungry, nor too full. Heavy or spicy foods just prior to bed should be avoided as these can cause heartburn, and people with a sensitivity to monosodium glutamate often report an increase in sleeplessness. Tryptophan works best on an empty stomach, therefore in order to maximize the effect of tryptophan for sleeping, do not snack after your evening meal then try a light high-carb snack, such as toast with banana, taken about an hour before bedtime with a glass of warm milk. Milk contains calcium, which is a natural relaxing agent, and will soothe your nervous system. Warm milk is also high in tryptophan. If you don't like milk, or are avoiding dairy products try a cup of hot camomile, catnip, anise or fennel tea. All contain natural ingredients that will help you sleep. Most health food stores will also have special blends of herb tea designed to soothe you and help you get to sleep. |
You can also make your own sleep potion:
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| Make an effective sleeping potion: (a) Combine 1 tbsp. tincture of Valerian, 1-1/2 tsp. of apple cider vinegar and 3 tbsp. of honey. Stir. (b) Add 2 tbsp. or more of hot milk and stir again. Drink this mixture warm or hot half an hour before bedtime. If you are not asleep within an hour, repeat the dose. Do not drink more than 2 doses in an evening. |
If that doesn't help, you can always massage the sole of your feet with mustard oil (do this at bedtime). Seems to help too
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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| Foods to avoid before bedtime include bacon, cheese, ham, sugar, wine, and tomatoes. These contain tyramine, which causes the release of norepinephrine, which stimulates the brain. |
Norepinephrine is a neurotransmitter active during waking life consciousness, which we strive to reach during LD's. So perhaps you should not avoid these foods after all? Increase of norepinephrine might perhaps lead to more dream awareness?
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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Might be, but what's the point of increased dream awareness if you can't fall asleep due to the stimulated brain activity? 
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| Posted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005 |
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Yeah it's probably a fine line, but one worth exploring, because I think with a little experience one can fall asleep anyway with a slightly stimulated brain. First of all it might depend on the person, and second of all on the dosage. The bald man btw is going to experiment with this kind of stuff anytime soon, so im quite exited to see results .
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