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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

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I haven't read a lot of returns about meditation induced lucid dreams. On a buddhist sangha forum, there was only one people who have had a lucid dream. He asked what it was to the others, who couldn't answer.


Really? Seems a little odd considering tibetan monks use meditation and lucid dreaming (I'm certain I read a credible source about monks using lucid dreaming). I guess a lot of people dabble in meditation without doing a great deal of research into it.
I've meditated on and off for the past seven years, more so over the past 6 months (almost every night). I have to say that I haven't noticed an increase in my lucid dream frequency, though that's not to say that if I set my intentions in that direction it wouldn't work. I meditate to achieve a calm, centred personality, as opposed to using it as a vehicle for increasing ld's. That being said, I do give myself strong messages at the end of my meditation sessions to recognise when I am dreaming. Doesn't appear to have had great results so far.

This book http://www.windhorsepublications.com/CartV2/Details.a sp?ProductID=366 is my bible, and details some fantastic buddhist techniques known as the brahma viharas, which basically set the intention to increase what is known as loving-kindness (basically compassion, happiness, patience and content). I think the most important thing to do if you're just starting out on meditation is to find a good book with some practical and well set out techniques which you can follow, while providing essential background to those techniques.

Personally I have become friendlier, more open and kind hearted, more relaxed (socially), and just more content and happy. It's amazing how much difference 30 minutes of meditation every day can make to your life - but, as always, only if you set the right intentions before each session!


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StEvE21 wrote:
I've read that site already (I think it was Fadem who posted it) but thanks CZChilla. I think this method takes a lot of practice, but it sounds good so i'll keep trying it (unless someone knows of a better method).



I can't say that t would be better to, but I'm going to keep dabbling in different types of meditation. Tonight I'm doing a Daydream type meditation (will elaborate on if you like) while last night I was using my 'kick-hole' mantra. All I know is that if you read up on something that seem appealing to you, do that instead, because forcing yourself to do another night or two of one meditation while desiring to do another is rather counter productive.


About the Monks, I haven't read anything, but I'm sure they would have known and utilized, or at the very least just know about some sect of Lucid Dreaming. I haven't read anything, again, so I wouldn't know.


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Yeah, I'm certain I read about monks never actually losing consciousness when they fall asleep, but that they slide into their dreams much like WILD'ing.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

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Basilus West wrote:
I haven't read a lot of returns about meditation induced lucid dreams. On a buddhist sangha forum, there was only one people who have had a lucid dream. He asked what it was to the others, who couldn't answer.

Really? Seems a little odd considering tibetan monks use meditation and lucid dreaming (I'm certain I read a credible source about monks using lucid dreaming).

It was the Dharmaling tibetan buddhism sangha. I asked there which tibetan buddhist schools were teaching LD'ing and a moderator, who was certainly a monk, told me that...
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...this teaching takes place in the four Schools, but rarely in an open way. It's one of the secret practices of Naropa's yoga.

But some LD'ers I know through internet and who practice tibetan meditation with a rinpoche from the Kagyu tradition (the one which is supposed to be the more interested in LD'ing) told me that their teacher probably doesn't practice LD'ing (or doesn't practice a lot). That's why I suppose that meditation alone doesn't provoke LD's, and you have to set your intention in LD'ing if you want to have LD's.

Moreover there are lots of meditations. I quite sure some of them won't give you lucid dreams. I've practiced meditation during two years without having a LD.


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

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Basilus West wrote:
Moreover there are lots of meditations. I quite sure some of them won't give you lucid dreams. I've practiced meditation during two years without having a LD.


I'm quite sure MOST won't , alone, induce lucid dreaming, But I'm saying that meditations (focus meditations) would help alot while trying to improve your LD skills, because Meditation increases focus.

Meditation enhances focus, which allows you to use LD techniques more easily, for many of them require focus.

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By the way, I didn't get to try the technique out last night, for I dozed of on the couch, watching tv and never woke up after that. Oh well though, I'll try it sunday (Chilla doesn't realy sleep much on fridays and saturdays. Or at all, really. (Hello old hag syndrom!))


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Didn't get to try it last night either. I fell asleep meditating. Stupid soothing Mantra.

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Well, anyway, I'm going to try and post a few methods of meditation that might work for some people, starting in my next post.


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http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13970&postday s=0&postorder=asc&&start=15

That's a foorm of meditation that I don't think has previosuly been used or is documented. The CDILD method is pretty much the whole meditation, just done on the back, not at late night when you'd be used to going to sleep, and with different intentions. I'll write of something for for my Sinking Meditation, which is pretty much steps 1 -4 of my post about CDILDing in the link above. I'll elborate more about the state of mind and what you'll feel and such, though. And, if I feel like it, I'll also elaborate on the Energy Flow Meditation which is derived from something I read about in some thing...


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Chilla wrote:
which is derived from something I read about in some thing...

Oooh, something something, I feel my interest peaking already! wink


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Well, I don't remember exactly where it was, but it was sort of like an energy control technique which I do have the site to.

http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Controllong%2 0Your%20Energy%20Flow.html

Similar to the first method of that page in a few vague ways, I'll elaborate on the actual Method later, But I don't have time to now.


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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I liked the link you provided on page 1 Chilla, but the one above seems a little.... fluffy? yeah fluffy.
In fact the link about Zazen I think is very similar to that which I practice, almost identical in fact. It may be that I'm practicing Zazen without even realising it.


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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

You can believe you are actually moving energy or whatever you like, but the whole exercise is just for concentration...Well, the one in the link above is for energy control, but what I use it for is just a concentration type meditation. Concentration/ visualization, actually. I'll post what I do (which is based on the link above) in more detail.

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

what about using binaural beats to bring our consciousness down to a meditative state?

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Hmm. I'm not quite sure waht you mean, Steve. Partly because I don't know what binural beats are. Would you like to elaborate? You got me all interested.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

The monks in the Tibetan Buddihst temple that I volunteered in told me that every "enlightened" person goes through the same "meditation" process np matter wher they are from. First its is single point concentration, than Vipassan meditation, than you just stop because your mind is already "enlightened" enough so you don't need to meditate.

First you need to start at single point concentration meditations. Techniques such as Zen or Shamata.

What to do after that, I cannot tell you. All I know is that you have to be able to sit in Shamata properly for an hour or more. And that is somethig that I haven't achived yet. The max I sat at was 40 mins, while most days 30 to 20 mins.

Also, there is Tibetan dream Yoga. I know that it involves using imagination. I need to try the technicalities of it.


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