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The BIG "Was this a LD?" topic - Part IV
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Part I of this topic can be found here.
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(first post, I think. Yikes.)

I've had three dreams now where I say to myself in the dream "I'm dreaming," but I don't really... REALISE it. I say it but it seems to mean nothing to me in the dream. For example, from my DJ, "Weirdly though as I walked around I was thinking "I'm
dreaming, i'm dreaming, I'm invisible because I'm dreaming." I ate a prawn thing and thought "This
must be a dream because I wouldn't eat this in real life" but for some reason I just accepted it."

I also had a dream last night where I couldn't exactly control the dream, but I could change things - what I did was, for some reason, wish to be a faun in the dream and it happened. I later tried to make something else happen but was having difficulty, so I closed my eyes and said "I'm dreaming, so I can do this," but before that I think I only had the vaguest idea that it was a dream. I think the faun dream was very low level lucidity, but what about the other dream? Was that lucid or prelucid...?


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

In the first dream you didn't actually realise you were dreaming so it would be classed as pre lucid or a FLD (I prefer the prelucid label)

(hover over FLD with your mouse to get the definition)

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

moogle wrote:
In the first dream you didn't actually realise you were dreaming so it would be classed as pre lucid or a FLD (I prefer the prelucid label)

I was going to say welcome to LD4all but you have been a member for a while.
:wave: *moogle waves to the ex-lurking member ;)


Haha I am something of a lurker, indeed O: Thanks for the welcome! And thanks also for telling me I was prelucid... now I just have to work on actually KNOWING I'm dreaming! I feel all enthused now that I know I'm quite close. Woo.


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

I sometimes have dreams twice. Sometimes, this leads to a sort of lucid state, when I think "Wait, I've had this dream before". I do things different to the first time, but I'm not sure if I'm truly "lucid" in the sense that I can just stop and go somewhere else. I go with the flow, but I am aware of what will happen next. Can anybody explain if this is lucid or not?

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

It's not really a lucid state. This kind of dreams about dreams, about recalling dreams, about lucid state or lucid stuff, etc. is called prelucid dreams cause it's not so far from lucidity. In a LD, you fully realize that what you're experiencing now is a dream.

Those prelucid dreams are useful, they are close to lucidity and they may be changed into LD's. For instance, your having dreams twice is a dream sign and it can be used, for instance by autosuggestion or MILD, in order to make you realize, next time you experience this, that you're dreaming.


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Just had another one, this time I realised I was dreaming, so I tried to do some stuff like fly, but i couldn't, so I thought "Well, is this a LD or not?!"

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

OfficerPotnky wrote:
Just had another one, this time I realised I was dreaming, so I tried to do some stuff like fly, but i couldn't, so I thought "Well, is this a LD or not?!"

Congrats OfficerPotnky, that's a LD ^^

Flying isn't that easy to do in the beginning for a lot of people, because people don't really believe it can happen. Things you can do in waking life are often easier to do. We still realise somewhere in our mind that it isn't possible to fly, because the laws of physics won't let us. Try again and try to really believe it's possible. You can do everything you want when you're dreaming, as long as you believe you can. Keep reminding that you're dreaming and it is possible to fly. Check this topic too for flying tips.


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Recently I went to Paris with school, and I had what I think is my first ever lucid dream on the way back. First let me say - it is truely nothing you can describe in words. It is just a blissful feeling being able to swim through the air and do everything you've ever wanted.

I'm not going to say how the dream went, but I was in a country village and everyone I knew was there. I could interact, so to say, with my dream. I was thinking, "I know this is a dream! I'm doing everything i've ever wanted! I can fly!". I could jump up and tried to fly like superman, but it didn't work. Thankfully I remembered the swim-fly technique from this site when I read it about six months ago and it worked, I couldn't go very far, but I flew! I absoloutly 100% knew this was a dream when I was in it. Was this a lucid dream or is my mind just tricking me into thinking it was? I give my thanks to the maker(s) of the main site for compelling me to read it and helping me know what the *bleep* was going on in that mad dream.

I also have a quick question: Is it normal to not experience the dream in first person, but remember it? I actully was in the dream and was controlling it in my mind, while I was asleep aswell as remembering doing that. Wait, I just realised I'm just remembering controlling it. Leave it in anyway.

Thanks ^_^ (So Happy!)

Edit: Oh my god, how long did this post get? Sorry, i'm just so joyful! It is a truely unexplainable experience. Wheather this was a LD or not!


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

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I could interact, so to say, with my dream. I was thinking, "I know this is a dream! I'm doing everything i've ever wanted!

since you were thinking this while actually dreaming ... it was a Lucid Dream

welcome Yamas, welcome to LD4all ... and it's great to read long posts about first LDs cheer



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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Hi Yamas, welcome to the forum! smile
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Is it normal to not experience the dream in first person, but remember it? I actully was in the dream and was controlling it in my mind, while I was asleep aswell as remembering doing that. Wait, I just realised I'm just remembering controlling it.

Theorically, in a LD, you experience the dream in the first person, just like IRL. Now it's possible that you didn't wake up immediatly as soon as your LD ended, and for instance had a ND just after, so that your LD was a little blurred in your memory when you woke up.

By the way, it's not incredible or abnormal. Just try to remember now what happened during the 5 last minutes IRL and if you even can recall it, you'll find that it's blurred too.


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Are these lucid dreams?
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I'm going over my dream journal and finding that in a few dreams between February and April it looks like I got brief moments of lucidity. Nothing seemed special about them, and it's been a while since I even got that. I've been feeling discouraged, but maybe I'm doing better than I had thought! So, are these dreams that break off in moments of LD?

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There was a big, dark frog-shaped cloud in the sky.
I was told to heal someone. I had a palm bough that I was supposed to hold against their left side and a white star would fall. I found a woman with marks on her face who seemed hurt. At first she said she was the daughter, but she wanted healing. I hugged her and pressed the palm bough to her side. She seemed to be getting better. I said there was supposed to be a white star. I looked up at the frog-shaped cloud in the sky. A brilliant white star leapt out of its mouth and fell down on us. She was healed. I was amazed that it had gone as I was told, because it had come to me in a dream, and I was still dreaming. (Except that's where the dream ends.)


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I was writing down my dream. I knew I was dreaming and that this writing down wouldn't work, hand voor hoofd but I thought at least I was trying to remember. No idea what I was dreaming before that point.


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It was my last day in Iran. They had a basket of my things, but it was evening and all the men had come back into the room, so I couldn't get at it, since I was a woman. A friend showed me into an inner room and a closet. Supposedly that connected all the way through to the other closets, so I could sneak into the room that way. It wasn't worth the risk.
Some business with supposedly the Muslims covered their eyes with a red band in the evenings to meditate on God. It seemed like a good idea to me, so in the evening, I too closed my eyes, bowed my head, and set my hands on my belly.
A flash of light. A roar. I thought we were being nuked, but the thought was buried. I wondered why we weren't being affected by radiation up on the second floor. A deep blue light, or maybe sky.
It's just a dream, I thought. I can enjoy this and explore this world. So we drove around a bit. (Except things get vague and then go on into a ND.)


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I was working on "my web site" and there were lots of spork jokes. I was going to write but I kept thinking about this, but I knew I was dreaming. (end of dream)


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I'm trying to figure out what may of happened, details are sketchy.

Either last night or the night before I remembered, while going to school today just out of no where about this experiance I had. I remember that I felt as if my eyes were closed then I opened them and I tried to step into my dream world but I felt excitment and fell out of it into blackness and either woke up or had a ND. I cant remember.

Could this possibly be my first successfull WILD? (Trying everynight for about 2 months) and I just failed to remember it untill today or could it have happened as a ND?


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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Nsomnia, I think it could have been close ... but you didn't actually manage to step into the dream as far as I can tell. eh

izandal, it sounds like you are getting there, you seem to be having periods of lucidity in your dreams even though they seem to be low level ... you just have to use the opportunity when you get the knowledge that it is a dream to increase your lucidity.



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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Ok, I got one thing last night, Ihad a string of dreams, technically, I remember 3 but I like to think of them as 4 since one faded into another story completely irrelevent.Anyway, after a fire, I was just thinking "I lost a lot, usually when someting this big happens, it's a dream, maybe I can wake up" then everything started to feel less real, so I thought"maybe instead I can become Lucid". So I tried. I don' remember much after that, but it was short, and i do remember knowing it as a dream, I just wasn't able to do anything.

So, was this an LD?


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

izandal, Sonic922, I think your dreams were very low lucid moments. Next time, you should try to perform a RC and increase your lucidity level.

Nsomnia, I've the same feeling than moogle: you didn't manage to enter a LD, though it seems you were rather close to.


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