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Basilus West
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

Thank you foo fighter for your answer. I've done some googling and I agree with you. I didn't found that Valerian could make you vomit but I don't think it's very good for LD'ing.

First of all, it has a slightly sedative and faint antidepressant effect, which seems to me contradict the results which are expected here. Second, it's said to be a bit addictive when taken during a long time and in large doses so that when you stop it, it may lead to slight withdrawal symptoms (BTW, this was said too for some antidepressants like Prozac but it's not true for most of the people).

Anyway, I don't think it's a good idea to take something different from the initial ZMA formula, cause you don't really know what it's done for. With hops flowers and valerian, those pills are certainly slight sedative.


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

Basilus West wrote:
Thank you foo fighter for your answer. I've done some googling and I agree with you. I didn't found that Valerian could make you vomit but I don't think it's very good for LD'ing.

First of all, it has a slightly sedative and faint antidepressant effect, which seems to me contradict the results which are expected here. Second, it's said to be a bit addictive when taken during a long time and in large doses so that when you stop it, it may lead to slight withdrawal symptoms (BTW, this was said too for some antidepressants like Prozac but it's not true for most of the people).

Anyway, I don't think it's a good idea to take something different from the initial ZMA formula, cause you don't really know what it's done for. With hops flowers and valerian, those pills are certainly slight sedative.


I agree, I was slightly dissapointed to get a kind of offbrand ZMA with slightly different ingredients. I had asked my mother to pick me up some from the GNC, and thats what she picked. So I'm just going to use it till' its gone and get the original.

Since I'm not using this only for dreaming, it's ok though.

And Basilus, the second night I took it I didn't feel sick at all. I think it mighta just been my stomache rejecting it for some reason the first night and it got over it or something the second. You should be fine if you try it.


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PostPosted: Thu 26 Oct, 2006  Reply with quote

I've gotten some ZMA too and even if I primarily didn't get it for dreaming I'm hoping it will help with dream recall siiw I'll try tonight and if I remember I'll post tomorrow and say if it had any effect on my dreams and/or sleep.

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Oct, 2006  Reply with quote

Well, tried it last night and so far I'd say it has a similar effect to b6. It does contain a 6mg of b6 but it's effect was similar to about 10 times more b6. It might have made me a bit more tired when going to sleep but the tiredness could very well be because of something else.

//edit//

ZMA seems to have a creatine like effect on me, that is it draws water into the muscles. I've gained about 0.5kg in one day from only one dose of it eek2 grin


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PostPosted: Tue 31 Oct, 2006  Reply with quote

Now after using zma for a few days I've realised it does help with sleep and dreaming. I have better recall and if I wake up during the morning I'm not as tired as I used to be when waking up. It also makes me a bit sleepy about 30-60 min after taking it so it's a little easier to fall asleep ^^

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Nov, 2006  Reply with quote

I have stopped taking ZMA right before bedtime after 2 weeks. I haven't noticed any significant improvements in my dream recall at all. It's still the same as before taking the ZMA. Most of the time I recall nothing at all, or sometimes a blurry flash of it.

I didn't experience any other side effect -positive or negative- at all.

ZMA is no "dreaming-pill" for me...


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Apr, 2008  Reply with quote

foo fighter wrote:
especially avoid taking Calcium at the same time [as ZMA]


Damn right. For best results, avoid taking with dairy or other calcium-containing foods or supplements. Take your 3 capsules on an empty stomach approximately 30-45 minutes before bed.

Stiffy wrote:
Got my ZMA today from GNC, it has these ingredients:
Riboflavin (Vitamin b-2) 6mg 353%dv
Vitamin B-6 6mg 300%dv
Folic Acid 300mcg 75%dv
Vitamin B-12 3mcg 50%dv
Magnesium 60mg 15%dv
Zinc 30mg 200%dv
Copper 2mg 100%dv

Hops Flower Extract 120mg
Valerian Root Extract 500mg

Other ingredients: Cellulose, Calcium Carbonate, Vegetable Acetoglyceride


Yours has calcium. Or does Calcium Carbonate not have the same inhibitent affect on ZMA as calcium?

Only the patented version (by SNAC) is proven to work. ZMA should not contain any Calcium.

If you want cheap ZMA:

You live in Europe <mod>link to vendor removed - read guidelines</mod>
I've just recently bought 160euro's worth of supplements on that site.

Here's another cheap supplement site for US, can't find ZMA though: <mod>link to vendor removed</mod>


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Apr, 2008  Reply with quote

Hi guys and girls!
I am new to the forum, but I hope this will bring a bit into the discussion of ZMA. I have taken it in the past for fitness purposes, but back then I did not notice any effects due to poor sleeping habits and a lot of stress.

Recently, I dug up a half-full tub of ZMA and began taking it (for fitness purposes again). But, prior to supplementing with ZMA I never remembered my dreams. A few days after beginning ZMA I started remembering most of my dreams without making any effort.

This night, although I slept shorter than usual, I was able to become lucid for a few moments within my dream. So it seems that the ZMA is doing it's job well: results in the mirror after working out and spontaneous lucid dreams. Excited to find this community and hope to get more lucid dreams soon smile

That being said, I think ZMA is worth trying out. The brand name stuff is a tad expensive, but there is an alternative: you can get the zinc, magnesium, and vit. B complex separately. Just make sure that the minerals are aspartates, other forms of these supplements are not as well absorbent, so if it says Elemental Magnesium 600mg, your body can only absorb a fraction of it. You can, of course, take more pills, but that just puts unnecessary strain on your digestive system, and with a stomach full of pills you might end up vomiting, especially if you take it on an empty stomach.

As a side note, the recommended dosage (3 capsules) is intended for bodybuilding/fitness purposes. If you get a lot of exercise, your need for Zinc, Magnesium, and vit. B increases significantly. If you do not, I'd recommend decreasing it to 2 capsules a night. Also, if you are taking it for prolonged periods of time, you need to take a week's break from ZMA every two months or so. This is due to the fact that the body gets accustomed to receiving the vitamins and minerals in easily bioavalable form and may become reluctant to extract them from natural sources (ie., food). Also saves you a couple of bills!


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PostPosted: Mon 05 May, 2008  Reply with quote

So normal stores don't carry this? I want to try it but I don't want to order it. overspannen

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PostPosted: Thu 08 May, 2008  Reply with quote

foo fighter wrote:
krakatoa wrote:
A good buddy of mine who was at least last year into building mucle said he Ate a lot of B6 and said he got really weird dreams. The reason he said they were weird was ofcourse because he wouldn't remember those dreams otherwise, is my guess. I may have to ask about all this now.

Magnesium also apparently helps to make the B6 more available (so your body can use it more effectively), as well as helping in the production of serotonin ... not so sure about the Zinc, but anyway.

There's a really good discussion about using ZMA for OBE's and lucid dreaming here too: http://www.astralsociety.com/as/Forum/index.php/topic  ,4736.0.html (not a body building forum this time!)

I took my first ZMA dose (just one capsule, you can take up to 3) last night .. unfortunately I then stayed up til about 3:30 on the computer (so kinda messed up the experiment) but without question DID have much longer, more detailed dreams this morning (much longer & more detailed than I can usually remember anyway), plus a weird feeling I can't define last night ~ sleepy/ calm/ spaced I can't really define, but I felt like something was 'going on' .. could have been placebo (or tiredness!) but anyway, I'm looking forward to trying this again tonight.


You know, I took a B6/Melatonin pill last night with a glass of milk, and I'd say my experience was simliar to what you desribed... I kept waking up because I kept hitting the snooze on my alarm, but I had this weird feeling, and you really described it well, like something was "going on". I also had one long dream, that I remember (somewhat, I didn't write it down 'cause I was too sleepy) and a bunch of little ones that I don't remember, except for one little part from one, a text message I received in the dream.

But yeah, just thought I'd tell you I get what you mean by that feeling.

And now I wanna try this ZMA stuff...


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