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In my opinion this kinda sounds like the whole y2k thing.
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| Posted: Mon 08 Jan, 2007 |
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Well, what I've been contemplating as a possibility is nothing divine.
The odd thing is that the mayas predict the 21'st and that the egyptians predict the 23rd of december 2012, this to me means one of the following:
1: That the Egyptians and Maya's had communication when they where rising. (as far as we know, impossible)
2: That they got the date from the stars (unlikely)
3: That they both got the date from aliens (again, unlikely)
4: That they both describe the same event, basing the time on a natural repeating process.
What I propose is the switching of poles.
Let me explain.
When lava dries the magnetic particles in it get frozen, in their liquid state the magnetic particles emediatly allign with the north pole.
Scientist have searched old lava stone and ancient pottery for these magnetic particles, and to everyones amazement, around 780,000 years ago the magnetic particles point SOUTH!
260,000 years before that, it was north.
This seems to be a repeating process, and now is about the time for them to change again.
You have to realise that what creates our magnetic field is bassically our molten metal core, and as you probably know, it's constantly moving.
It is well documented fact that the earth's magnetic field has been descreasing over the centuries, it will never completely dissapear (if it does, all of us will die from cosmic radiation) (until earth cools off completely that is) but this is exactly what the cycle predicts, before the poles switch the field becomes weaker and starts to have
anomalies'.
One of which is somewhere between indonesia and south america, a field in the sea where the compas thinks it is north ergo where the magnetic field is distorted.
This has'nt been there for long, long enough though for my grandfather to remember.
Personally, what I think is that both the maya's and the egyptians ancestors witnessed the changes, and the assompanying volcano eruptions, climate changes etc. and passed this on through the generations.
Esentially, reports like "Godly fire from the sky" "Everlasting night" and "Titans shaking the sea" could be explained as interpretations of those events.
All the geological facts presented are from a documentaire by Nova, which I'm glad to share with everyone who has bittorrent (pm me), the things from Maya's and Egyptians from several books.
I only tried to tie them together mainly because I needed to find a logical way that the Egyptians and Mayans could share a apocalyptic date so godamn close to eachother.
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Very nice, but... it's highly unlikely to predict reversal of Earth's magnetic filed [1]. Currently geologists claim an average time between such reversals is 250,000 years while the last reversal was supposed to happen 780,000 years ago.
While this can mean "It's about time for it to happen again", it doesn't mean it WILL happen in near future. It can take another 20,000 years, for example. Since even currently we can't state anything about future reversal, it's impossible that Maya have done it.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_Pole#Magnetic_f ield_reversals
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| Posted: Mon 08 Jan, 2007 |
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It can... But that would probably mean that either:
Maya's and Egyptians where technogicaly more advanced than we ever held possible, and managed to hide it from us for no particular reason.
Or I'll have to involve aliens, atlanteans and those kinds of completely unprovable factors.
Eventually everything can be calculated, the question is, was there ever a civilisation advanced enough to do it?
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| Posted: Mon 08 Jan, 2007 |
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Could be..
This whole story about Maya's and Egyptians being so advanced remembered me of the 'possible' pyramids near the face at Cydonia on mars. Will that little rover ever get there you think? Would be cool to see if they really are pyramids.
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In my opinion this kinda sounds like the whole y2k thing. |
Well...maybe, however the Mayan calendar has nothing to do with computers. Their system is based on cycles. They believe that all cycles repeat itself except that this last cycle that comes on Dec 21, 2012 is the last. They do base these cycles on the stars so I guess you could say that they were their own astronomers. Again, rather than guess or assume to know what the Mayans believed, it would be better to get a book on the subject and study the Mayan calendar for yourself. Also, whenever anyone predicts something on an astronomical event, it is better to go to the astronomy web based sites to see if they mention anything happening in the future on this date. 
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| Iwazaru wrote: |
Could be..
This whole story about Maya's and Egyptians being so advanced remembered me of the 'possible' pyramids near the face at Cydonia on mars. Will that little rover ever get there you think? Would be cool to see if they really are pyramids. |
The face is already proved nonsense, the pyramids, well, I've tried to find them on Googles fair high quality (and some other structures I read about) but it's pretty tough to find stuff on it, also keep in mind Google Mars is still in Beta, but if you have the coördinates you can pretty much check what the pyramids look like in better quality. (and in 3 different viewing modes, infrared, visible and elevation)
http://www.google.com/mars/
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Do you realize we are right in the middle of this spiritual journey, everything is set, and ready. The Internet is doing its job. Its our tool, without the net many of us here may never have known about lucid dreaming. LDs are a big guid to the road to 2012. Ive allways felt the pull, of something very spiritual in my life. Ive felt it sence I was a child. I never would of thought I would be here today knowing about such things as lds, and 2012, and the starborn. It is really happaning, and it gets faster, and faster. I mean how could it be 07 allready? Are we really ready for something this big? Some days I am ready, and other days Im not, but eather way I believe its coming. Im do feel that Im one of the starborn Ive took the surveys, and more importently I just feel it inside of me. Im not trying to say Im special, just diffrent. I imagine alot of you are in the same boat. Before we were born we signed up for a big job, and its to late to turn back now. Get your game faces on spiritual solders were going into some rough waters.
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| Posted: Wed 10 Jan, 2007 |
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Unless you believe that dreams are given to you by gods I could hardly call LD particularly spiritual.
Lemme tell you something from experience, Moonbeam,
since I could think I've been filled with nonsense about me being special (I hardly ever cried as a kid, which they interpreted as being a "new-age-child" instead of asperger, I was getting I'm special from every adult I ever say as a kid, because they thought I was a hyperintelligent 5 y/o, the ghost lady telling me in a very ominous way "You are going to accomplish great things in your life" worked well too), this in turn led me to believe I was actually special, ofcourse analitical as I am, I needed proof, which I found (if you look hard enough you can find whatever explanation you want) abundantly.
This whole obsession with 2012 made me, quite logically, believe that whatever was after it did'nt matter, the first 3 years of high school where wasted, I usually managed to get by on natural ability and being good in talking myself out of trouble and so even without paying actual atention I could pass the first 3 grades, I spent those years experimenting with drugs and being stoned out of my mind all the time, it made me feel better and the consequences where irrelevant because it all was gonna end soon anyway.
Then, after 3 years of high school I got kicked out for abusing pot before lessons and several other things (which are MY bussiness).
The school I was on made you choose your education level only after 3 years, noone on my school had a doubt I was and could easily do VWO (the dutch degree required to attend college), but the only thing I cared about was having a good time, which was for me symbolized by attending an art college (which does'nt really require any degree apart from being able to draw, a bit).
So at 15 I completely stopped attenting school, the only thing I would do is hang out with friends, read books and watch TV.
This self destruction went on until the time I got 16, I finally began realising that, even though I was generally having fun, myself and everything around me was decaying because of me.
This made me wake up, a moment which I tried to postpone as long as possible by keeping it away from my conciouss.
I finally realised that basing my life upon some idiotic religous apocalyptic prophecy, that the world in it's years has seen thousands off, none of which, evidently, came true, was destroying my life.
Considering I'm 17 I can't say that I've been able to reflect on it completely thus my position is biased, take my words with a grain of salt, for your own mental health, esentially there's not alot wrong with religious beliefs, as long as you don't take them too far.
(Oh, I'm attenting 4th grade VWO high school again, so eventually it did'nt turn completely disastrous, the only drugs I still oblige in is the occasional glass of Whisky and from time to time a joint)
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There is an inoordinate amount of unfortunate pessism in this thread. 2012 represents a year of amazing possibility, potential, and an evolution of the human condition, the earth consciousness, and the uniting of the natural and spiritual realms of perceptual existence. Will it happen? None of us can know that for sure, but to completely toss the possibilities away as ridiculous is an unfortunate symptom of the skeptical/rational/empirical mode of western thought. Now, this is not to say that such prophesies need be followed dogmatically - clearly, this isn't beneficial to anyone.
However, the possibilities of massive global consciousness evolution should serve as a boon of progress and hope for everyone on this board. The Mayans, Egyptians, Chinese (in the I Ching), Christians (via the metaphor of the Rapture), Buddhists, Tibetans - all the spiritual/religious institutions of belief share their own metaphoric allegories in a call for the possibility of a vast and sweeping change to the human condition. Many of them unite around 2012 date.
While, clearly, we might not want to buy into the lessons, dogmas, and incredibility of many of our current religions - the fact that many of them unite in this idea of a transformative shift/end/renewal of the condition of humanity should serve as a call to the open-minded to work toward the preparation of such a reality.
The possibilities and potentials will not be imposed upon, but instead we must actively work together to enculture this beautiful change in humanity and global life. Peak oil, global warming, volcanic disaster, extra-planetary collisions, nuclear war, and all other host varieties of destruction are imminent without a unity of human vision in the development of a new world.
Together, humanity shapes their reality through the development and enforcement of conscious thought projected into reality by daily intention and action. 2012 might serve as a call to fulfill a prophesy seen by many of the major world religions over the course of time - those of us who lurk in the wilderness of LD4ALL should take this as our call, a beckoning, for further understanding of the possibilities of transformation.
Or, I suppose you could sink back into a cynical mindset of staticism, surrending to a hopeless inability to cause any of the of beautiful potentials to be realized.
But, I think a lot of you are a heck of a lot more optimistic than that. 
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| Posted: Sat 13 Jan, 2007 |
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I really enjoyed your well-written post Gemini Valley!
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| Posted: Sat 13 Jan, 2007 |
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Hey! Thanks Explora!
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| Posted: Sat 13 Jan, 2007 |
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The pessimism you talk about has more to do with peoples doubts about the validity of this prophecy, which, considering 99% of prophecies don't come true is'nt a bad thing to do.
And honestly... Your theorie seems to me even more unlikely than poles switcing, humanity has never been at global peace, and as far as I'm concerned this is'nt even possible without humans education and survival mechanism drastically changing.
(or of course global plentyness of recourses or global anihalation(the first being practically impossible with current population and technology))
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Well, I disagree with the way you read my post. I, personally, like to entertain the possibility of a movement of human consciousness developing over the next five or six years toward 2012. That does not mean that I expect everyone else to - I understand that the pessimism has a lot to do with doubts about the prophesies, and why wouldn't it - the point I am trying to make is this:
It seems that the majority of major religions all believe in either some cataclysmic or renewing event (perhaps they're a metaphor for the same thing, at least this is the way that I like to conceptualize the seeming consistencies), and many of the psychedelic pioneers over the past fifty years (I speak of Leary, McKenna, etc. and reaching past fifty years you have people like the amazing Rudolph Steiner) have also discussed visions and developments of understanding that humanity might be heading toward a revolution in consciousness. The Mayan calendar ends in 2012, abruptly after 5000 years of painstaking mind-numbing calculation (they didn't just get lazy, and say they were done). Daniel Pinchbeck has written a great book on all of this if you're interested.
Anyways, now all of this doesn't mean there is a predestined end/revolution in the works, but it CAN serve as catalyzing agent for our own intentional work toward a better society and deeper more meaningful self and human understanding.
I find it so depressing to think that simply because there has never been global peace that the possibility of such a thing is null. I'm sure we thought we would never fly, we would never touch the moon, we would never have pictures of planets millions of miles away, that we would wouldn't develop understandings of galactic and quantum physical phenomena - we have. If our technical scientific understanding can be so progressive and evolve so quickly, there seems to me to be no reason that with the same amount of effort and work - that we could not learn to use our amazing technologies for the betterment of humanity. Many social theorists have discussed the reality that if human civilization were to turn the efficiency and prowess of our technological civilization away from obsessive entertainment commodity production, and instead use it to increase the living standards of humanity - that beautifuly drastic changes could be seen.
Do these things happen over night? No. Do they require incredible hard work, and a variety of cooperations and radical shifts in worldviews? Yes, yes they do. As improbably, as impossible as it all may seem - it is possible.
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If all people would suddenly, care about eachother, that would work, but I don't see any sence in angels comming down and telling us to love eachother.
Look, there is always a posibility, every moment, that global love will break out, however, without any huge/divine event happening this chance is so small that if you should take it serious you might as well enjoy the idea that tomorrow 11:34 exactly you will be hit by lightning.
As far as I'm concerned probability does'nt rule in favor of peace and love.
Heh... I spose you could even poetically state that the second law of thermodynamics forbids it ^^ (even though humans always actively try to fight enthropy it is inconceivable that we'll ever win the battle (not only because enthropy, as a concept is timeless)).
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