Character Assisted Lucid Dreaming - CALD

Yep! You speak to them in waking life, but MAKE SURE that you have the understanding they are your creations, and do not exist on the same plane as you.
It is very important to get that straight…really.

Talon: …>> I really don’t think roger likes us.
Naknus: Oh my aching heart.
Talon: What…?
Naknus: … Nevermind.

… YUS :D~!
They eventually speak out randomly as Talon and Naknus do… >>; but I can at the very least chose not to type some things they say… I can just refrain for you if you’d like!

Wow it’s really cool you can just… let them talk.
They are interesting. It doesn’t seem like your forcing it at all. How do they reconcile being outside of Aria? Do they know that Aria is imaginary? I’m considering not letting my characters know about the “outside world”… honestly, whenever I tell a dream character they are “just a dream character” they totally flip out. I’m not sure why that is :meh: Besides! It might be more interesting if they only know about their own world, but then how would they interact with other peoples characters…?

Talon: . . . Well yeah we know Aria is made up… O_o; it explains why the Katrans are always changing… and our house talks! His name is Eye-os…>> Cause like… he has a huge eye in the wall.
Naknus:. . . If you know we see your posts, and have to reply to them… And you SAY " Do they know that Aria is imaginary" Don’t you think that’s incredibly stu–
Talon: I get to put censorship on my brother’s mouth, cause he swears alot.
Naknus: . . .
Talon: You should see him when we’re at home, and he tries to cook, cause he really sucks, and sometimes he burns himself and–

Yes, my characters know their world is not real, only in stories and in roleplay line ( with the exception of mind rps where they DO Knbow, and are interacting with other’s characters who likewise realise) do they not XD Otherwise, Mindspace would be very traumatic! Because Talon and Naknus interact regularly with people outside of Aria, they’re not too shocked. And sometimes I just let them stay in Mindspace instead, just them though.

Talon: Takone can’t fight, mindspace would be scary for him…
Naknus: . . .

When my characters interact with other’s characters without the knowledge of it’s being made-up, generally they think the other characters are from a far away place in theirs, or their worlds have connected somehow and now they can talk to each other… it can all be worked out fairly easily with some imagination.

Talon: You ARE going to make me a house, right?
Naknus: No, Talon, the stranger over the internet is not going to constuct a shelter of any sort for you. He’s not even interested in answering you.

I hope I answered that well…>>;; Talon and Naknus are very distracting when I’m letting them talk…

~ Talon ( not the character though!)
Talon: I still think you should change that.

…Shhhhh…

Do you really live in a Tree, Talon?
That must be uncomfortable. I climbed down a hollow tree once, it was prickly and there were spiders. Not the most pleasant of experiences!

Talon: :smiley: MWHUA Yes. My tree is big like a apartment complex, and it’s been hollowed out by tiny Anthrans, and it has stairs inside of it, spiralling up, and rooms, and the top is a BIG BALCONY!

…:3 Yes, she loves her tree very much, and she likes bugs too :3, She’s scaled, so no splinters… I will visit her tree in a dream one day! :3

Talon: YOU WILL MAKE ME A HOUSE YESS?
Naknus: . . .
Talon: turns to naknus I like him :3~~
Naknus: . . . That’s fairly obvious by the way you’re bouncing…
Talon: :3~~~
Naknus: . . .

They love each other, really they do :3

Talon : :O!
Naknus: . . .

Character chatting is now here:

ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=370198#370198

Please go there for characters you have made to talk with each other, or to talk to other’s characters. It helps to give an idea of where all of this is headed if you make a character.
Actual questions for creation and technique should stay here though, cause I’ll answer them here if there are any in the chat- thread.

Talon: :frowning:

…You can go see Talon(character) chat there.

Talon: …:frowning:

…Naknus tell her you love her.

Naknus: No.

…AGH Anyways, yes… new thread for chatting, but this is still method thread.

Talon: <:'C
Naknus: . . .

It’s good that they are seperate now.
Nice drawing! That’s exactly the kind of expression I thought Naknus would be wearing :smile: That… grumpy look. I’ll come here for questions, and definantly refer to the tutorial!

Forgive me for posting here but this is an interesting idea. Glad the character chatter is over though that got annoying :content:

I wish I’d known people like you and the others who posted in this thread when I was younger. I think I was the only one in my school, possibly even the state, that had any imagination and created comics, stories, and worlds.

I am working harder on creating stuff and exploring my worlds before I die.

I always, or nearly always, dream of Aragorn from Lord Of The Rings. Why he appears I dunno. But he has become a dreamsign. Dreamsign is a technical word from us old timer Lucid dreamers.

While reading your thread I thought of asking him to help me get lucid. In fact I thought of it earlier this morning to try to incubate a dream with him in it and use MILD to remind me to become lucid when I see him. But asking might work also.

PS: This thread was very inspiring. Why I like LD4all and Dreamviews is because it proves that I am not the stupid person I was always told I was. You have no idea how nice it is to know other creative people exsist.

Well i’ve started the school (it’s weird but the school i’m actually creating is nothing like an English school, more like an American one, Like lockers) on my planner ( :tongue: ).
Since a toddler can draw better than me :spinning:(), I might use computer programs to make it, things like google 3D. The best part about it is that I can show it easyier than scanning or taking a picture of it. Also, if i can get to grips with other 3D applications (Blender) I could model out my character to show too.

Yeah sure, I’m intrested to see what your characters think of the forum and the people. It may seem weird, but you’re making it sound more appealing to us who can’t do it.

Also, just looked at the picture in your signature. I was actually pretty close to what I thought Talon looked like. Wasn’t expecting the long ears though lol (If she’s reading, I don’t mean any offense).

do your characters help you with school tests? :razz:

I would have to agree with him, I love the cheesiness off how they filter out noise in audio (If they need to listen to a conversation from a noisy room). Like you get the ‘cool’ dude at the PC saying ‘Yeah, I’ll just filter it all out’ Then when you listen to it, it’s a crisp-clear high quality version of what they were saying. It’s the same with matchng fingerprints, It’s as though they have everyone in the world on record o-0.

Haha Thanks ^^ The chatroom’s been moved, I will update on that!

Talon: HAHA GRUMPY
Naknus: . . .

Thank you very much for the compliment… I apologize that Talon and everyone else were annoying while I replied. I will make sure I don’t mention them any longer in this thread. :3
I am sure that this will lead to good things, I am happy you are going to interact with Aragorn. Thanks again!

-Talon

XDD HAHA Thanks! It makes me feel better that someone likes the chatter from them, though it annoys others… so if you’d like, you can go here:
ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24392
To the thread where Talon and others chatter. If you want, ask em’ questions, it helps me know them better, and may help you, I don’t know. Maybe even just be interesting. I look forward to the 3d image, I hope I get to see it one day! The school seems to be turning out well…

By the way, Talon was not offended, and Naknus agrees that the audio-filter is idiotic. As well as the zoom-in from the satelite pictures, as “pictures from that distance couldn’t possibly have that sort of high resolution. It’s un-realistic.”.
And… YES My characters, infact, do help me with tests.
Generally only Naknus though, he helps point out huge flaws I am about to write before I write it, and Talon helps me memorize things. All I have to do is remember the number of things to remember, and she mentions them in my head as I count them down. :smiley: It’s cool.

THANKS~
-Talon

You know, this whole topic makes me think about “The Seth Material”, by Jane Roberts and Seth. Plus, some other stuff I’ve read…

About how whenever we think about something it’s instantly created. In a way, once we think about something it becomes reality in another dimension, even if we consider the dimension of thought. Dreams are included in this. They continue to exist even when we’re not dreaming. In their own dimension, but they do.

So a character being created would make sense according to this theory.

I’m looking forward to having several LDs and deep talks with Samuel, a char of mine.

You know what? What you’ve just said is exactly how I feel. I have had that belief for the longest time, since I was 10, at least. And that post you just gave, made me even more sure than ever in that.
Thanks very much!
I wish you long, and happy chats with Samuel!

~Talon

Ah, I’ve also happened upon something similar, Rodrigo. But, this was actually an alternate understanding of a quantum theory on the Many-Worlds Interpretation, basically stating that every thought we ever conceived, now conceive and will conceive branches the universal timeline to the infinitum so as to allow every possible outcome to every event define or exist in its own “history” or “world” via, not such a complexity as quantum decoherence, but mere thought…

I don’t know which I’d prefer, though; the classical understanding of MWI, or the alternative philosophy? Theoretically, the classical understanding would strike more harmony… But ultimately it doesn’t matter because, given the nature of infinity, everything and not will come to pass, eventually. “Everything” because there is infinity - “not” because therein lies infinite possibilities.

Given the immeasurable vastness of the universe (though, I’m speaking generically - it could very well be a multi- or omniverse), it’s seemingly inexhaustible energy and what little we really know about it, I’m willing to entertain the theory. Presuming it is true, I think it’s comical in its own sense… we’re basically incompetent, novice gods - if that’s how one would define a “god”.

Then again, it’s just a theory. A very ambiguous one at that. It makes me recall this quote for some reason or another: “Quantum mechanics… the dreams that stuff is made of.”

Maybe I was skeptical at first on the prospect, but now I’m actually very interested. Impossible is nothing, right? In that case, I’ll ponder this “phenomenon” and actually test it out. I believe something else was holding me back, though… who to choose first? I have a large assembly of characters I have pre-developed for story purposes, and even though I select favorites at times, I sympathize with them all just the same. I guess it sounds pretty silly…

I think I’ll start neutral and select a recent DC. Taking the time to design a new character afresh would not only take an unnecessary amount of time, but probably further complicate my dilemma, thus only perpetuating the initial problem.

No. A preconceived DC is not only more convenient, but it also does not put me at odds with my other characters. I can focus primarily on the actual personality of the DC and not my own prepossessed thoughts of a long-established character, thereby destroying a significant amount of inclination to “puppeteering”.

In fact, I think I might work with two characters… one male and one female. It’s nice to have an opinion from both sides. I’ll begin with one - to see how well the exercises proceed - then I’ll follow up with the second DC soon afterward. I’ll look through my DJ now to determine who I’m going to choose…

LOL!!! I just rememberd that. You see the ‘cool dude’ at the PC once again, using some mega mega telescope to zoom into a window from orbit.
However, the military do have pictures that good, They can read car registration plates from orbit, but the local police department… nah lol :tongue: .
Also, in that thread. Can I ask your characters questions? I dont actually have a character at the moment but i’m intrested to see what your characters goals and ambitions are.

I was thinking that using the CALD, you could ask the Characters to help remember your dreams, Or even set your own biological alarm clock.

I also thought that things we create or dream might become real or exsist in another universe. If this is so then you should be careful about murdering or nightmares where you are raped. And if you create characters you should be careful about what you do to them if you do believe that they do suddenly have a life, a reality in another universe.

And this sort of magical thinking isn’t new. The Ancient Egyptians thought that the tomb paintings were important because the food and the workers and dancing girls and musicians and such would all become real in the afterlife for the king.

Many years ago I started writing my afterlife in a three ring binder that now I don’t have. I think my current writing and creating of the dreamship world is another attempt at crafting an afterlife.

I think I’ll think a lot of positive thoughts from now on for myself and everyone :content:

And I am sorry if I ofended you about your characters talking was annoying. It was only annoying because I was so entrigued, sp?, by your ideas that I wanted to read what YOU had to say on your ‘tutorial’.

This should be in print.

Progress!!

I’ve just about finished Designing the Enviroment for my character’s home.
I’ve started on a character, before i started to draw her (Terribly If I might add) I built up on her traits and her past life, She is based off someone I used to know, however she dissapeared a few years ago, I never saw her again. So I thought i’ll base some of her admirable things onto my character. I basically did brainstorming to come up with it all.
Name: Annalei
Age: 18
Traits: Dedicated, Caring, Likes to help, Strong on her beliefs, Very emotional, Happy but wounded Deep down.
History: Her family were killed in a Car accident.

I’m not actually basing my character’s apperance on the real person I know off, but i’m using her personality.
I’m still drawing her at the moment, once i got past the Face, I kinda got carried away lol.

EDIT: Well, I’ve completed my drawing, Better than I expected actually, now I’m unsure on how I should procced. When I talk to her, Do I do it visualising her? or do I just say it in my mind and she can hear me? Also, would picturing her in the enviroment (The school in Mazarti) help at all?
I’m gonna try talking to her tonight when i’m about to go to sleep (I seem to daydream better then)

Wow… very interesting…:smiley: You’ve made me think quite a bit about all of this… O-o; You have a very good point about the DCs, though… Puppeteering is no issue with something created so automatically in dreams, it all comes together in an instant…

PLease update on you progress here when you do…?

Sorry for the late reply~
Talon…

Wow great! ^^ Would you mind finding a way to post the picture? I’d love to see it… And I find it wonderful you’ve gotten so far in her character, endearing that you based it off of a friend! Well, you can talk to your character however you like, as long as she hears you and has a way to reply back. With me, I visualize my characters in that blank space I go to when I think (mindspace) and then I speak to them. It’s not vivid, and I don’t literally visualize their faces or anything, just their presense in mindspace works. You can just, as you said, summon her to a place where it is comfortable to talk, and then do so, or you can put her in an enviroment to talk to make it more likely to go there… All your choice!

Thanks very much! And so sorry for the late reply!

-Talon