Allright, thanks. 
I´ll search the net for that meditation. 
try searching for the aliun meditation.
Does anyone also know a basic meditation to begin with? That is because I yet have never meditated! 
hey M styles,
i chose the meditation i do at the moment (not Mantak) because at a certain point in my life i realized i was way too serious! so the med i do now helps remind to relax and be amused.
you might want to look at what you want to experience in your daily life and choose a med based on that. there’s so much out there with so many different results, for me it’s about how is it going to help me get what i really want?
hope that helps. i found my meditation by total chance, i feel lucky. heck, you may not even need to meditate, an enlightened guy like you!
-sore, then soar
ill search for a basic one
Thanks.
And Kind´rgart´n (well, atleast I trie to come up with a nick name variation 
), I have something like that too. I was way too serious and organizing. Way too. But lately it is all changing and I´m getting really loose and relaxed. A meditation aiding this progress would be nice. Do you know a nice meditation?
your welcome. 
This is what I read in one of the books of the 11 main Upanishads, there are a lot more (it’s good to read these texts along with the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali, if anyone wants I will find the links to the ones I use)
The Upanishads maybe full of societal ideas, but there are things you can get from them if your patient enough to go “what does that mean?”
Anyways: The right eye is the centre of your waking consciousness, the point between your eyebrows is the centre of your dreams, and in between your chest (where you usually feel your heart beat) is the centre of deep sleep. There are other functions to these centres, but those aren’t the interest here.
This is what I did (not written in the Upanishads, at least the 11 main ones I looked at) Concentrating between your eyebrows will help you remember your dreams and you can achieve lucidity, there were times when I can almost feel that it is a dream (not lucid yet but getting there). This takes practice and concentration. There are inconsistencies in nights with concentration, sometimes I can concentrate well, sometimes it is really weak, but there are results with dreams.
Concentrating on the heart is also good. I like it better. You will remember your dreams (not as well as concentrating on your forehead, but there are results). I haven’t reached any lucidity with it yet, but chances are it will happen. There is a bonus here too; if you stay I up late, you will feel like you slept for a whole night instead of feeling tired. Doing this while awake helps you keep your strength and concentration too. I am amazed at how well it works. I did some looking around and this is called Yoga Nidra.
You can play with how you concentrate. I.E. imagining a ball there that is a certain colour… you can use what ever feels like is working, although you have to find that first.
Sounds like you’re doing really well. If you keep on practicing it will probably aid you in daily life (as you allready describe) and with LDreaming.
Here’s a link to a buddhist perspective on LD, or what the tibetans call dream yoga. The text is not really easy to understand, since we’re not brought up whith the same symbols and learning techniques as tibetan buddhists are. But it gives some insight in what dream yoga is and how it is based on very strong visualisation techniques and strong mindfullness.
See https://www.spiritwatch.ca/abuddhis.htm
Ultimately of course, dream yoga is only a method in achieving enlightenment.
Thank you for that link, I have been researching Buddhism lately and that looks to have lots of good information in it.
You’re wellcome.
Actually there are some books on this topic too:
- ‘Dreamyoga and the practice of Natural Light’ by Namkhai Norbu and
- ‘The Tibetan Yoga of Dream and Sleep’, byTenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
And LD-guru Stephen LaBerge has contributed to the field of integrating these ancient techniques with modern insights, see: https://www.lucidity.com/DreamYoga.html
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This is probley the most profound artical Ive read about meditation. Im starting to learn that meditation is more about being aware of thoughts that occure while trying to 'blank" the mind. I use breathing as my focus tool, but while focusing on my breathing I become aware of my thoughts. I just simply let them come, and go, and return my focus back to my breathing. No matter how many times thoughts pop into my head I dont get frustrated, because I cant blank my mind (Or if I do become frustrated, I simply become aware of the emotion, and return my awareness back to my breathing) The idea of meditation is awareness… Oh hell just read the artical it can say it better then I can.
Hi Kava,
Seems like you’re doing really well with your discovering of what meditation is really about.
Actually there are basically two types of meditation:
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concentration based. Like when one focuses on breathing or walking or a mantra or whatever. This might get you in a profound state of bliss. However, it does not give insight in the workings of one’s mind and it doesn’t give one wisdom.
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mindfullness based. That is what John Kabat-Zinn is all about. His meditation is based on Vipassanameditation. Here you focus on ‘that what one is perceiving at this moment’. This might be thoughts, emotions or sensory input. Observing these things closely, and without judgement gives you insight in your conditioning: why you react to the outside world the way you do, why you are happy or unhappy. That’s why it’s also called Insightmeditation. Ultimately it helps you being fully aware in the present moment. Which is very helpful, because the present moment is the only thing there is. In the present moment there are no worries, no fears, no anxiety. There is only love and freedom.
Concentration based meditation can be used in combination with mindfullness based meditation. The former can strenghten the practice of the latter.
Useful link: https://www.vipassanadhura.com/whatis.htm
That was an enteresting read, I think for now Im just going to stick with concentration based meditation. I couldnt imagine what it would be like to be in the frame of mind of the “now”. That would take alot of practice. I am starting to meditate while Im at work by focusing on what Im doing at the time, and allso my breathing. Its weird… I never thought about it before, but today I was making my coffie, and focusing on making it, and it was like doing it for the first time, and it actualy felt good simply making a cup of coffie. It was an enteresting sensation. Meditation is like expirancing life for the first time simply by being aware.
You are using the concentration method very well to be aware of what you are doing at that moment. Being fully aware of what you are doing at the time you are doing it is actually being in the ‘now’. The only difference between that and mindfullness meditation is that you are focusing your attention at will to the thing you are doing at that moment. In mindfullness meditation your focus will be naturally directed to that which comes at you naturally. It is not directed by will. But that doesn’t really matter.
In both concentration and mindfullness we can experience the world with no interference from our conditioning and all the other ‘programmed’ responses we’ve learned through our personal history. You can then really see things the way they are. Indeed like you’re seeing them for the first time again.
But there are enemies at the gate. One of them is that experiences like the one you describe can feel very fullfilling. You might think ‘that was nice, I want that again’! But sometimes it can be that this wanting fills your mind, so you cannot longer focus all your attention to opening your mind to the present. And then you can get frustrated and you might start to think ‘how did I do that, the other day. I’ve lost it!’ And then you try even harder and it still doesn’t work and you get even more frustrated, etc.
But don’t worry. This is all quite normal. Just have faith. Because it’s actually not difficult al all. Just open up. Be aware. After some time the awareness can go really deep.
Nevertheless it can be a good idea to find a group or a teacher that you feel you can trust. Because the path to total awareness, enlightenment if you will, can be long and there can be more enemies at the gate. Good advice from someone who’s been through it all can then be very helpfull.
Does anybody else here besides me meditate on a regular basis?
Meditation can help with LD’ing in a massive way… it increases your self-awareness which is vital to lucid dreaming. Meditating before sleep will also increase the vividness, length and amount of dreams not to mention all the other benefits meditation can produce.
If anyone is interested in learning meditation, I will be more than happy to share some techniques, and I would love to hear of techniques from other people.
I have heard that meditation can help you get lucid and similar things. I would like to learn how to meditate but I don’t know where to begin.
I would be happy to hear what you can say about this.
I belive one time i used a sort of medition for WILD I was so aware with it i was awake for 3 hours! I didnt move a muscle either! Im currently working on a meditation awarness WILD technique.