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| Re: WBTB question.. |
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[quote="Canucks_"]I have a question about WBTB... I'm working with bendrummin's Infinity right now... And it says that I should sleep 5-6 hours, then go up for about 10-20 min or something like that. I wonder if I could go up after less than 5-6 hours because if I go up in the morning it's very hard for me to sleep again, cuz I'm like waking up pretty much when I get up and it's light out.
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It's after 5-6 hours that REM sleep occurs so I'd instead try to go to bed earlier.
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| Re: WBTB question.. |
| Posted: Wed 08 Aug, 2007 |
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I have a question about WBTB... I'm working with bendrummin's Infinity right now... And it says that I should sleep 5-6 hours, then go up for about 10-20 min or something like that. I wonder if I could go up after less than 5-6 hours because if I go up in the morning it's very hard for me to sleep again, cuz I'm like waking up pretty much when I get up and it's light out.
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It's after 5-6 hours that REM sleep occurs so I'd instead try to go to bed earlier. |
But I don't think that would change it, becouse it's light out whenever I get up 
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| Posted: Wed 05 Sep, 2007 |
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I`m doing wbtb right now at noon. I`d suggest blinds or something to block the light?
I get up after 6 hours, lay in bed and read a different piece of the forum on my wii every morning. And every morning I have a LD. It`s not even challenging anymore..
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| Posted: Tue 27 Nov, 2007 |
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I've experimented with WBTB for 2 years. Now it seems to work better for me.
For a long time I tried to use alarms to wake me up, but alarm can occur at any point in sleep cycle. Usually I just wanted to get back to sleep and could not focus well on MILD.
Now I have mostly trained myself to wake up after a REM cycle. Preferably after at least 5 hours sleep. I wake up, recall dream, record dream. Get up, then later do MILD and meditation. I drink some extra fluid at night to try to encourage my body to want to wake up.
I also have found better success if I am awake at least 30 minutes before going back to sleep. On weekends I make a point of getting out of bed and watching tv or reading for a while. During week, I go back to bed quickly, but try to meditate for at least 20 minutes. Also do MILD.
Current LD goal(s): ability to WILD
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| Posted: Tue 27 Nov, 2007 |
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You don't have to wait 6 hours, from what ive heard and practiced, ive come to the conclusion that it could work if you wait like 90 minutes!
Current LD goal(s): Have an SD with that cute little crow.
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| Posted: Tue 27 Nov, 2007 |
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From what I've read your supposed to set your clock 3-4.5 hours after you've gone to bed.
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| Posted: Thu 29 Nov, 2007 |
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Some sleep research has shown that with each sleep cycle your REM duration gets longer. So if you become lucid in a later sleep cycle you will have more time in dream state.
I find that after only 4 hours of sleep, I am too tired to focus properly on MILD.
Current LD goal(s): ability to WILD
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| Posted: Thu 29 Nov, 2007 |
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| asclepius wrote: |
I find that after only 4 hours of sleep, I am too tired to focus properly on MILD. |
Then there is a great method for you! There is one called FILD. Click on where it say Best Technique in my Sig and it will take you to the topic. : 
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| Posted: Wed 12 Dec, 2007 |
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| Joyful26 wrote: |
There's a question I've been asking my self lately... Does anybody know why WBTB works?
It works well for me, but I can't understand why waking up after 5 hours of sleep and then sleeping again can help you to be lucid... I'm just curious about it 
Peace. |
Maybe its just that you are increasing mental activity just before an REM cycle and as such dont have to go through the non-REM periods to get to REM so you retain your brain activity levels helping keep logic and reason and memory neurons still firing when you actually begin to dream making it easier to realise its not real or to remember to LD.
It worked for me last night, second ever LD and best one yet (thats not saying much but telekinesis and pyrokinesis where a blast)
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| Posted: Sun 16 Dec, 2007 |
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Ok, now, after al looooooong break from trying to get lucid I'm working at it again.
But I have some trouble >.<
Last Night I tried WBTB, i went to bed at midnight and fell asleep ... mh, I think half an hour later. My Alarm was set for 7:45. It woke me up, first i was scared I would be to late for school, but then i realized it was a weekend. Because I was scared, i moved very quickly and forgot about every dream. But i was awake enough to get out of bed. I surfed the Net for 40 Minutes, then I went back to bed. And tried some counting and things "Im dreaming, I'm dreaming...." but i was too awake. I didn't fall asleep. And in the end, after 3 hours of waiting, I finally got up.
Was the alarm set to late? Or why was that?
And in those 3 hours wating for sleep or something to happen, I had my old "weekend-problem". During the week, when I have to get up at six, i mostly don't have the time to write any dream down, but I don't have to, i don't remember anyway very much when i have to get up that early. On weekends, i get up naturally, at around 9 oClock. Then it's war, and everything in bed and I have time, so I stay in bed. Sometimes till it's 12 oclock. During that time, I don't really dream. I have 2 phases: In Phase one, I'm awake, my eyes are open and I remember dreams. In the other phase, my eyes are closed and I "dream" but at the same time i "Know" i'm in my room and feel where my pillow touches my head. When I'm back to Phase 1, i know what I've dreamt, but not with pictures or something, i just "Know" what happened. But these dream are never... really "Dreams" which come from my innerst, they're just about meeting my fave band or something. I like dreaming about that, really. But I wish there were more "strange" dreams, with pictures and everything.
>.< and that's waht destroyed my Motivation the last time, and it's going on like that again >.<
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| NeoMarine wrote: |
--I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this before so excuse me for the random intrusion.
Anyone else realise that WBTB can cause you to LEAVE your Lucid Dream? Here's an example of why it can happen:
1). You set your alarm for 6 hours later to perform WBTB (at which point you have to be enthusiastic enough to stay awake long enough for it to work).
2). You then fall asleep intending to wake up at the sound of your alarm but end up having a Lucid Dream!
3). The alarm goes off while you're in the middle of your amazing insane Lucid Dream!
--Personally I wonder if it's worth the risk for those who occassionally just have LD's. |
this is why i don't use an alarm clock, i use autosuggestion
its so wierd how it can work, like just last night i told myself to wake up at 4:30, then i suddenly woke up in the middle of the night for no reason. I immedietly checked my alarm clock, it was 4:27
THAT'S just cool
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| Posted: Tue 25 Dec, 2007 |
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| Miruu-chan wrote: |
During that time, I don't really dream. I have 2 phases: In Phase one, I'm awake, my eyes are open and I remember dreams. In the other phase, my eyes are closed and I "dream" but at the same time i "Know" i'm in my room and feel where my pillow touches my head. When I'm back to Phase 1, i know what I've dreamt, but not with pictures or something, i just "Know" what happened. But these dream are never... really "Dreams" which come from my innerst, they're just about meeting my fave band or something. I like dreaming about that, really. But I wish there were more "strange" dreams, with pictures and everything. |
I think I have the same problem. I tried the FILD tec last night, and I couldn't seem to get over the fact that I could feel my face on my pillow. I tried rubbing my dream hands together, though, and I could feel that, so I think I was close! any advice on how to take that last step into my dreams?
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| Posted: Mon 31 Dec, 2007 |
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Is there some sort of spacing period i should use in relation to nights when i do WBTB?
For example i do it almost every night but last few nights i havent due to a movie marathon, should i try spacing out attempts to give my mind a break? You know maybe try something else that dosent involve perpetual exhaustion?
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| WBTB help |
| Posted: Tue 01 Jan, 2008 |
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<mod>moved into the big topic  </mod>
I am very new to lucid dreaming, infact i had my first lucid dream the other night because i used the WBTB method wich to my surprise, worked the first time and i had my first lucid dream a couple of nights ago  i succeeded by going to bed at 12:00 waking up at 06:00 staying up for half an hour and had no troublle going back to sleep but then i tried the same the past two nights and i can't go back to sleep, so my question is Does it matter how long you stay up before going back to sleep, because if i stay up for not very long at all i am fully awake?  
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| Posted: Tue 01 Jan, 2008 |
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I'm trying to do the same combination you did; 
About the minutes, it depends, for some it works longer time awake and other less.
If it worked for you these 30 minutes then try it again, try not to get too excited or you'll get too awake, but try not to get drowsier either.
Success!
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