A new Technique VWILD

VILD sounds pretty legit to me… how much do one of those watches cost???

Well, I had to do a bit of searching on the web for exactly what i wanted. Many of the vibrating watches I found. Had the alarm, but only turned off, when you pressed the stop button. And then you would have to reset the alarm for it to go off again.
Two things why that was no good.
The vibrating alarm would go on forever until you pressed stop. So, I could LD, but the alarm would still be going, and probably wake me up. So, it had to find one that would go off after a certain time. And also, it needed to reset itself, so that i didnt have to do it.

In my search, I only found one. The vibraLITE 3. You can set the alarm intervals. So I like to set for 42 mins. But you can set for 2 hours if you like or 5 mins. The alarm goes off for 20 seconds (which is too long really, but I cant find any better) After the 20 seconds, the alarm stops and resets itself. It will then go off in another 42 mins, or whatever interval you set it for.

Everyone is different, and as I said, I’m still experimenting with it myself. But it has been very successful so far.

It has also, however, sometimes woken me up. Thats why It would be nice if the alarm only went off for 5 seconds. That’s the only downside of it. If you are a light sleeper, it may not be best for you.

I cant remember the name of the website, just search for vibralite watches for the deaf, or something like that. My one cost me around £25 Which is roughly $40 ish. You need to get the 3 one though. Thats the only one which you can set an unlimited alarm interval. You can choose various colours though and straps.

I would have to let you know that there is already a technique called VILD. You probably already know but its called Visually Incubated Lucid Dream.

That does sound extremely interesting Jayster, Glad to hear you finally found something that works for you! :ok:

The vibrating version does sound better, but I wonder if you could mod your tech to work with sound? I have a watch that beeps every hour and I might be able to use that as a sign, (although I don’t think sound would be as easy to detect as touch.)

And KT4all is right, the acronym “VILD” is already taken… we’ll have to try and pick another for your tech. :content:

Hm, this is interesting to me because I have had the idea to do this for a while, a day or two ago I actually made my own vibrating alarm using a 555timer, but it goes off every 3-5min which is way too short. Ill have to look into those watches…how loud are they when they vibrate?

Pretty good tech, i think i’ll try it out tonight since i have nothing to do :smile:

There should be a forum for all these techniques

No, I didn’t realise that VILD was already taken. Thats a shame. Any suggestions for a new acronym are more than welcome.

In reply to the beeping alarm. Yes, I think sound will work. Have you ever been dreaming when your mum comes to wake you up in the morning for school and it actually manifests in your dream. The only problem however, is that again, just like with the Nova Dreamer, there are too many variables. Which is exactly what my system avoids. Also, if you sleep with a partner, it may wake them up, whereas with a vibrating watch on your arm. (hopefully) only you should feel it.
Also, it would be more difficult to pick up on a sounding alarm when wearing it every day, as you have other noises to contend with. The idea of the vibration is that you will feel it no matter what is going on around you. You could even be in a football stadium. When it goes off, you will know and can do a reality check. You will not hear a beeper in that situation.

In my previous experiences with the watch, There has only been one variable. In the 3 dreams I have become lucid in, I have always just felt a vibration on my arm and then automatically, done a reality check.

The vibration is quite strong, and has also woken my partner once as it vibrates through the mattress a little. So yeah, pretty strong, and it goes for 20 seconds which is a pain as it has also woken me before. So if you are a light sleeper, it will probably wake you.

It would be fab,if you can somehow alter it so the alarm only goes off for 5 sec. But I think it would be the software side on the chip, which I wouldn’t be able to alter.

Just had a private message for a new actonym, VWILD

Vibrating Watch Induced Lucid Dream

What does everyone think, I’d love some more suggestions.

jayster… keep us posted on your continued research with VWILD. see if it keeps producing the results… if so i might invest in a virbaLITE3

VWILD sounds pretty good. The W in WILD stands for waked …fyi

Hearing of the 20 second alarm ring was a real disappointment to me, but the whole idea sounds very useful. I’m probably going to buy one anyways, but like Rarebreed asked, how loud does it vibrate? I think if it’s too loud, I wouldn’t be abled to use it in class or else it would “disrupt” the learning environment.

ps! Jayster, you should be part of our researcher and experimenters team here on the forum!

Researcher and development team. That sounds good. Can anyone just take part?

I think the vibration alarm would be a little noticeable in a quiet enviroment. But I dont find it too loud. I have had one person i work with ask ‘What’s that noise?’ I dont embarrass though, so it didnt bother me and i told them all about LD. They were quite interested too.

You could always try to tie a piece of elastic onto the strap and then put the watch on around your ankle. That way the sound of vibration will be further away from ear shot. Even though not that far, it may make a slight difference. Because as I say, its not too, too loud in the first place.

The only way you can be sure is to buy one. Sorry I cant be of anymore help than that. Remember that it is designed for a deaf person. So it needs to be fierce enough for them to notice it as there only source of an alarm.

Yes, it’s incredibly dissapointing that it vibrates for 20 seconds. I have looked into getting a device built that is designed just for LD. It wouldn’t need a time on it like a watch. It could just be a vibrating device that can be set to go off at timed intervals, for 5 seconds and then resets itself. And that you could choose between say 5 different time intervals. However, to get it made and patented would cost me around £20,000. And because LD is more of a specialist subject, I felt that I wouldnt be able to make the money back.
Just look at the Nova dreamer and similar devices (although, they dont work as well as my idea).

If anyone out there happens to be a millionaire and would be interested in risking some money on such a device. Feel free to get in touch.

20, 000??? Is that how much it is for a patent? Even using a programmable microchip and even throwing in a custom made watch it wouldnt cost more than $20 tops for the device, probably more like 10… how many LDs have u had using your tech again? Maybe I should make a watch specifically for LDs and post a schematic/ How to.

Considering that I have about 300 some left for the holidays, I am going to order the vibralite 3 off Amazon. Hopefully it will be here for Christmas. I will be testing this as well, I keep forgetting when to do my RC’s, so I need a quiet reminder every 40 odd minutes. :content: Consider me a tester I guess, I will get back to you Jay when I recieve it.

Thanks for sharing by the way! :slight_smile:

I’v only had 3 LD using this device in the last 2 weeks. But I have been exceptionaly tired the last few days because of home life and work, and only getting about 5 hours sleep each night (which probably doesn’t help). Hopefully, things will quiet down a bit after Chrimbo.

Well, I made a new contact through a friend of a friend type thing, who actually programs the chips in devices such as watches and mobile phones. I came up with vibration idea about 6 months ago, but couldnt find anything to that would do the job.
As soon as I met this guy, I explained to him what I was after and he explained that to have a PCB designed and made would cost between £5000 and £7000. I cant remember the exact price for the patent but he told me that if you wanted it worldwide it was going to be around the £10000 mark and then you have to pay a yearly fee to keep the patent on your device. Something like £5000 per year.

As, i say I dont know him too well, and perhaps he’s a bit of a cowboy and doesnt know his stuff as well as he likes to think he does.

Im more of an ideas man than a builder, so I wouldnt have a clue on how to make such a device. But because everybody is unique and different, the time invervals need to be able to be set differently. I originally said 42 minutes, because thats what works best for me. But someone else may find that 55 minutes is best for them. If you go by stephen laberge’s notes concerning at what point in our sleep cycle we have REM periods and there longevity, you will find that 42 minutes, should hit more REM periods than by using any other time interval. However, Not everyone is the same, therefore I recommend that if you think you can make such a device, be sure that the interval time can be altered. It is also imperative that it vibrates for roughly 5 sec and the RESETS itself. You are not going to want to wake up from your LD to reset the alarm.

Part of my £20,000 budget also accounted for publicity and the production of 100 of the devices for more testing.

Although, there are many members to this forum and it feels that there are thousands of people out there who practice LD. Im sure that is true. We are a minority, a big one yes, but still a minority. I have lots of friends and family, and have striked up conversations of LD. Not, one persons I have talked to about it has ever heard of it. There would have to be one hell of a publicity campagne to make people more aware of LD and what it can do. Before you come anywhere near to making your money back from making and patenting the device.
Unless you were to put a hefty price tag onto it, which I would be greatly against. Because this would alienate those who have never heard of it. You could publicise yourself to death, but if you were to put a price of even £50, those who have never heard of LD or sceptics wouldn’t go near it. So straight away you’ve lost money and risk making your money back.
However, of course if you make it affordable, you still run the risk of not selling enough and not making your money back.

I was going to get it made and try to sell it to the masses, of course i would had to have done more testing, but upon much deliberation and researching into how other businesses work, I decided that the risk was too high. I just don’t think that the masses are quite ready yet for the formidable world of Lucid Dreaming.

So I decided to give and share this idea freely to those that will benefit (hopefull greatly) and that is of course you lot.

If anyone hear does manage to make such a device and use it too great affect, it would be fantastic if you could share it with us. My hope is that such a vibrating device would increase the possibility of LD in every one of us.

I promise I will keep up to date with my postings on this, and I after the holidays, concentrate more on my LD and my tech. I’m very hopeful that i will have great success with it.

ok, I see where you are coming from. It would be a lot of money to mass-produce it and wow, I didn’t know patents were so much. I think Ill try this christmas break to develop a workable design for such a watch and will be sure to post a how-to, on an individual scale it shouldnt be too hard to do/be cheap. Ill see what happens

I think we have the opportunity to invent something here!

I have decided to change the name of this tech to

VIBILD - Vibrate Induced Lucid Dream

I realise the acronym is longer than most, but it seems to fit the tech pretty well.

ok, well, Ive begun designing the LD-specific watch. Im hoping to get some picaxe-08M chips for Christmas. I went ahead and wrote a little program using their editor and ran some simulations. Right now it will have two buttons (one to change between modes and the other to select times) and of course a vibrating motor attached to the chip, I might add an LED for signaling purposes but I think itd be cool to keep it down to just the motor. Right now you can change the wait between signals through 12 steps of an extra 10minutes each step, so between 10min and 2hrs. You can also change how long the signal will be on for through 12 steps of 5sec each (5sec to 1min). Let me know what you guys think/ if any of the timings and functions should be different.

Rarebreed, that sounds absolutely awesome, I really think this will work better than the vibrating watch I bought. I think its a great idea to keep it simple. The less buttons and modes will just make it cheaper and easier. I think the led is a good idea, just to let you know what mode your in by flashing a certain number of times, to represent time interval set.

Dont forget that its important that after the vibration goes off and then ends, that the device resets itself automatically to go off again in the next time interval. So if for example the interval is set for 40 mins. And the vibration is set for 5 sec. Then once the device is started, it will vibrate for 5 sec every 40 mins, without having to press a button. It will just carry on doing this until you press a button to stop it.

I think you need a start / stop button. and once stopped, this will reset the device. So when you switch it back on, the time intervals will need to be reset.

What do you think?

The other important factor is that it need to be small. Remember it need to be worn through out the day, so that you get into the habit of performing a reality check every time the alarm goes off, so that your dream self does it automatically when it vibrates in the night. So it must not be cumbersome. It needs to be small, so it can be worn at all times and still be comfortable.

I became lucid twice last night, but because the alarm vibrates for 20 seconds actually woke me up. I was only lucid for about 15 seconds.

Make sure that there is no beeping alarm during the vibration, sorry if I’m stating the obvious to you, but we dont want sound, just vibration.

Thanks for giving this idea a shot though, I just really dont have the expertise or knowledge to build this, but I really do think with a shorter vibration time, its quite possible that this device will guarantee LD for anyone.

Ooooohh how exciting is this!!

Iv had this idea in me for over two years. To know that its so close to coming into being is very exciting.