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I like what Faust said. How could be possibly define "real."
Going off Mohegan's logic, and if "real" can only be defined by our senses or mindset, doesn't that make both the dream realm and this present realm real? It's possible there is an alternate, matrix-like reality. It's just as likely that all realities are "real."
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I would define "real" as something that we beleive is there. For instance, i have no doubts that the computer i'm typing on is there; thereofore is real. So when we're dreaming, we beleive it's there, so it's real to us. Until you become lucid. But where is "there"? I don't know. I also beleive "real" has continuity. Real things continue. When i dream, the dreams don't start where the others left off. It's a rare ocassion when i dream and everything looks the same in every other dream. When i'm awake, there is continuity. That's all i have to say.
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The dictionary definition of "real"
Real- being an actual thing; having objective existence; not imaginary.
My definition of real:
It matters how you look at the concept of "real".
Just like everybody else has said.
Your computer is real
I am real
My couch is real
Are dreams real? To me....sort of...I see it, but it is not actually there. So, about half and half...
Is death real? To me, yes.
But, is anything real after you die? I don't know...
Like I said before, life could be just a dream. And when you die, you conscious "wakes up"
Or maybe it's the other way around...Right now could be "real"; but when you die, everything can become a dream. Like I said, dreams are real in a sense...so, is after death real?
I just sort of came up with this in about five minutes, so don't go with this exactly. But, somebody should take what I said (along with everybody else's) and come up with your own conclusion.
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| Mohegan wrote: |
How can you be lucid all the time?
If lucidity is knowing one is dreaming and one believes life to be real, then if life is a dream none of us are lucid. |
I never said that I believe life to be 'real', besides reality is relative. 
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I think it is. For example .. I believe at live after death (going to astral world) so this is kind of physical dream and after you death you will "wake up" .. But there are few people which can go to astral by AP. And our dream person can go to this world when it wake up. By the way Confucius was dreaming. And his dream was that he is butterfly. After he woke up he didn't remember if he is man a he dreamed about butterfly or if he is butterfly and he is dreaming about man 
//Note by hunaynay : It was Zhuangzi not Conficus
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| Faust wrote: |
Oh dear. Don't let me get into an epistemology discussion. Not again! I won't go back!
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Because we have no way of validating our senses' accuracy without using our senses, it is possible that the external world is an elaborate illusion and that we live in an Ancestor Simulation. It is entirely possible, I daresay even likely, that we are an advanced computer program being conducted by another reality. We can not ever truly know if our reality is the "real" one.
But first, we should define "real" in the first place. |
100% agreed
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By the way Confucius was dreaming. And his dream was that he is butterfly. After he woke up he didn't remember if he is man a he dreamed about butterfly or if he is butterfly and he is dreaming about man |
Actually, it was Zhuangzi (and, according to legend, some 100 years later) but good example. I keep the quote on my "about me" in my profile. 
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By the way Confucius was dreaming. And his dream was that he is butterfly. After he woke up he didn't remember if he is man a he dreamed about butterfly or if he is butterfly and he is dreaming about man |
Actually, it was Zhuangzi |
Really ? Thanks for completing me
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Is life a dream? It's an interesting question, but it always makes me think: Does it matter? Is it really that important whether it's actually real or not? I mean it seems pretty real to me, and I'm enjoying it, so I think I'll leave the postulating to others and just get on with it.
If when I die I wake up someplace else then I'll know, and I'll say: "Well, fancy that!"
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Give the man a Peanut.  That's a very good point and well made. 
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Is life a dream? It's an interesting question, but it always makes me think: Does it matter? Is it really that important whether it's actually real or not? I mean it seems pretty real to me, and I'm enjoying it, so I think I'll leave the postulating to others and just get on with it.
If when I die I wake up someplace else then I'll know, and I'll say: "Well, fancy that!" |
haha.
very well put.
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Is life a dream? It's an interesting question, but it always makes me think: Does it matter? |
That depends on whether or not one wants to become lucid...
I do. That's why I meditate. If life is a dream, I expect to wake up within the next few years.
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has anyone else considered the possibility that life itself is a universal dream?
that the world is merely a projection of the universal consciousness?
i'm interested as to what people think about this. |
...yes, I have considered it.
A few years ago, I had a dream. In it, I was a dream character of someone else's dream. It was a strange feeling, to be something and nothing at once. To be flesh and bone one minute and the next to be a mere thought. It's hard to explain, but that was how the dream felt. I dreamt, in all technicality, that I was a dream character of a dream character.
This thought has pervaded me since. If we are truly part of a play, a dream, then who's the dreamer? And if it be a god, from which religion? And what truly defines a god, if they are but dreamers in this world only to wake up to their own reality, awaken in their own homes?
When we have attained lucidity, it is said we are the god of the dream. When we awaken, the dream is gone, succumbed to 'reality'. Whatever happens to those who reside in the dream? Does it become a rehash of Judgement Day? A saying does go along with that.. "A million years is like a minute to God".
Sometimes we say our gods no longer care about us, or we have angered them somehow. Maybe, it is not that we angered them, but that they don't have control over their own dream?
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| tetragrammaton wrote: |
has anyone else considered the possibility that life itself is a universal dream?
that the world is merely a projection of the universal consciousness?
i'm interested as to what people think about this. |
Forget universal consciousness. Better question: What if life is projection of YOUR consciousness? 
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