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PostPosted: Fri 28 Nov, 2008  Reply with quote

I've been so close to getting sleep paralysis but always seem to snap back awake. I feel the vibrations and try really hard not to focus on them, and once I stop they go away and I'm wide awake. Any tips to help me get SP?

[edit] Another question: Sometimes I hear voices, it sounds like they're right next to me. I know it's just HH, but that also jolts me awake. Is there a way to keep these voices from coming out of nowhere?[/edit]



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PostPosted: Sun 28 Dec, 2008  Reply with quote

The first time I got to Sleep Paralysis Ive read posts before and I patiently waited, because I knew it would only last a few seconds. I just ignored it and I started seeing weird geometric trippy shapes, then bam! I was naked onstage at some old people convention (shivers). Its not that hard just as long as you know what your doing and you're familiar with the process of entering a lucid dream.

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Dec, 2008  Reply with quote

Hi,

i've read, that the 61-point-rexalation-technique is considered as a quite good way to induce the state of sleep paralysis. My questions are:

1. I usually cannot fall asleep while lying on the back. Is it, as a consequence, also different for me to get paralysed while lying on the back? Is it also possible to do the 61-point-technique while lying on the side?

2. Is it much harder to induce SP after walking around a bit to get the mind awake? I'd like to do that, so that I dont loose consciouness before entering SP.
(both questions are connected with WBTB)

Thanks for the answers,
eRu


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jan, 2009  Reply with quote

Lately I've been having trouble with SP.

Whenever I'm having a hard time falling asleep (especially if I wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep, I'll automatically start going into SP without falling asleep. Basically my body says "You are going to sleep NOW, whether you like it or not!" but my brain says "No, I don't want to!" So I end up in SP, having to deal with the vibrating and weird noises (I usually get pretty bad HI), unable to move for what feels like several minutes. I just wait it out and eventually I "wake up" and can move again. But I still haven't gotten any sleep! This cycle can repeat itself two or three times a night, and no matter how hard I try, I can't fall asleep through the distracting HI.

Anyone know how to get past this? If I can't fall asleep into a normal dream while conscious during SP, how will I ever learn how to WILD so that it turns into a lucid dream? SP isn't as scary to me now as it used to be, but it's still not pleasant to deal with when you really just want some real sleep.


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Mar, 2009  Reply with quote

Sleep paralysis is both extremely interesting and extremely helpful; I have found it to lead to the most "real" lucid dreams. A lot of people define it as waking up but not being able to move your body, but this is the wrong way to think of it. Basically its just your brain waking up, slowly becoming aware of the inhibitory effects sleep produces on your body. You just can "feel" the muscle atonia (disconnection of brain and body)! This awareness is the most important part of lucid dreaming. You must first become conscious as you would be in daily life (versus a dream state of confusion and incoherence). The only problem here is that you're not dreaming, you're just asleep and you know it!
Getting into a dream from sleep paralysis is actually MUCH easier than it seems; once I figured it out I have never failed getting through this transition. Most people who can't do it are imposing a dreamlike attitude towards their power over their mind; they rely on random, uncontrollable factors to drag them into a dream world. During sleep paralysis you are now conscious and must act as though you were awake. My point is that you can't just wait for a dream to randomly appear; it won't. You have to will and imagine it. Its good to think about it as you would day dreaming. As youre laying in bed, purposefully imagine where you would like to go. Picture yourself in that place; what does it look like? what can you hear? Can you touch, taste, or smell anything? Before you know it you will BE there, and thanks to sleep paralysis you are lucid!
I've found it easiest to start in my room. I can't move my body but I try to imagine what it would be like if I could. I imagine sitting up and eventually getting out of bed, then I realize that by imaging it i really did it (in a lucid dream).
For some reason I dont get the vibrating feeling you guys have mentioned. I just feel extremely heavy and can't move. Its like im sewed to my mattress. So don't wait to suddenly be in another world. Imagine getting out of bed, and you will be thrown into that world of "imagination" firsthand.
I'm unsure of how little we can feel our body; is it none or just barely? One of the times this happened i got out of bed (a dream) and walked around my room. But for some reason I could open my right eye, it was like i had sleep paralysis (for my eye) in a dream! When i actually woke up, i realized i as sleeping with my head laying on its side on the pillow with my hand pressed up against the back. I was putting a lot of pressure on my right eye. Does my dream say i could feel this pressure, or was it a random coincidence?


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

Yeah, I thnk once you start mastering getting into your dream, the next thing is to disconnect your mind from your physical body, there's been so many times that the feelings from my physical body made it's way into my dreams, (laying on my stomach, and I could only crawl, trying to walk but feeling like my legs were paraylized..) it's weird, but I guess because of our awareness, we seem to be aware of our sleeping body as well. All it takes is practice to get past that I guess...

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

The one night i had lucid dreams (not really lucid, they were like half lucid) was through WILD / SP / WBTB. I was vibrating, my heart started rushing, I felt warm, then cool, and eventually it felt like i was being sucked into a vacuum or launched at incredible velocity into my dream. Point is, it works.
It is scary at first but if you can concentrate on not waking up (or dreaming or NOT concentrating...) the insane feelings go away and you are in a dream. I did it twice in one night.


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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

I experienced SP this morning. 'twas the first time I had although I've read up on it, along with several other sleep phenomena. Sadly the feeling that I couldn't breathe startled me enough that I came out of the trance that I was currently in.

I knew that I was still breathing but having never experienced it firsthand before I let my instincts get the best of me and started focusing my attention on breathing.

Maybe next time I'll be more level-headed about the experience.


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

hoodaman wrote:
I experienced SP this morning. 'twas the first time I had although I've read up on it, along with several other sleep phenomena. Sadly the feeling that I couldn't breathe startled me enough that I came out of the trance that I was currently in.

I knew that I was still breathing but having never experienced it firsthand before I let my instincts get the best of me and started focusing my attention on breathing.

Maybe next time I'll be more level-headed about the experience.


Don't worry about it, even people that have experienced it many times have trouble dealing with it. After all, the feeling of not breathing can be pretty freaky. You'll do better next time! :D

Actually, for a first SP, if you didn't think "omg, I can't move!" and try to force yourself to move, that's a great start ^^


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

I kinda knew what I was getting into as I've lurked on these forums for a few years now. I didn't even try to move. I felt that wave of energy go through me and I knew what was going on but still, not FEELING my breathing was pretty unnerving.

I'll get it though. Someone IRL told me that once I'm in SP to focus on a single object very clearly then tell myself "awaken". I should be in a dream then if I focused enough. If not, I'd wake up. He also said to come out of SP, just swallow.


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

hi all, I'm new to this... I have a question.

Last night when I tried WILDing, after a few minutes my body (not including my head) feels very heavy, especially my chest. I almost can't breathe. Was that a SP? Or that was a step to SP?


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

Silverhawke wrote:
hi all, I'm new to this... I have a question.

Last night when I tried WILDing, after a few minutes my body (not including my head) feels very heavy, especially my chest. I almost can't breathe. Was that a SP? Or that was a step to SP?


It's hard to tell, maybe the breathing part indicates you were in SP, but they heavy muscles can sometimes simply just be because you are relaxed and haven't moved them for awhile. I'm thinking you may have been close to it rather than in SP. Then again, we all experience SP differently, some more intense than others so who knows... but judging by the common experiences everyone has, it sounds more like you were close to SP rather than in it.


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

I got it again this morning. Only it was different this time. Increased heart rate, felt like energy was flowing all through me. It became increasingly hard to keep my eyes closed and my breathing became erratic.

I seem to have figured out how to induce it though which involves (for me at least) a relaxation exercise for each part of my body. Once that's done, I'll stay that way for a few minutes, 5 to 10 getting to a point where my eyes don't even move. Finally, I visualize my hands, then my room. I then visualize that I walk over to my set of keyboards and start playing a song that I wrote. I never stop looking at my hands while I'm playing and the sensation kicks in.

This is only the 2nd time I've gotten SP and I haven't been able to get to the second attention yet but I believe I'm making progress.

Later,
Dave


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

is anyone good at WILD from right when they lay down to bed ?

i wilded a lot (mainly re-entry ) in the morning,

but when i tried to get SP at the start of night, i spent forever on my back, i slept and i didn't sleep

i found breathing deep then holding the breath at the exhale tricked my body into not yelling at me to ROLL OVER
so i spent forever on my back sleeping but never dreaming or SP
then i rolled over onto my side and i thought i was awake and was very very tried and sat by my stairs meditating for about 10 seconds,
but that was a dream or OBE !


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr, 2009  Reply with quote

Eyelids wrote:
is anyone good at WILD from right when they lay down to bed ?


So far, all my WILDS have been done at going to bed (i get up real early, so getting up in 4-5 hours using the WBTB technique wouldn't work for me since I have to get up by then)... I go to sleep round 1130. Last night was my longest one, bout 10 minutes... at first they were very short, some of them were even pitch black, but last night I actually had a full on room that I could explore. It took me bout two months to really get it, but now it seems more frequent, and FAST, I mean the past two times I did it once on Monday, and one more last night, I went into WILD almost 10 minutes after getting into bed.


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