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PostPosted: Mon 02 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

Wond3rland wrote:
On another note I believe galaxies or planets and stars are aligning in the center of the Milky Way. That's the big piece I either missed or is missing in this discussion.


I recall hearing something like that.

Anyway, I'm no expert on the topic but the basic idea of what I would have said was already covered by Entheoman a few posts ago. As far as I know, the idea that the Mayan calendar ends on that particular date is actually erroneous. The winter solstice of 2021 marks the end of a grand cycle, one that is 26,000 years long. Within that, there are many smaller cycles. But this cycle, this is one big deal. siiw You can equate this with a spiritual shift in the planet, and for humanity if you want, but I don't think the moment itself is going to be huge. Then again, I guess you never know.

Let's see, I don't recall where I first read that info, but here's a link to a site I found. It includes an accurate quote from a 7th century Mayan Prophet.

He wrote:
"If Humanity Wishes To Save Itself From Biospheric Destruction It Must Return To Living in Natural Time."


And so I take it that we're coming to the point of the brink of this destruction, with our mad technological growth and ignorance to the massive destruction to the planet. The only way to sidestep this is to begin the healing process of the earth, to go back to a way of living that doesn't clash with the laws of nature. We may make it, we may not. We could just as well plummet to a self-made destruction as begin to heal our past mistakes.

So as far as I see it, the year may mark the beginning of a new era for humankind, kind of like that song, "Age of Aquarius/Let the Sunshine in." Its just too bad the vast majority of Mayan documents were destroyed by some Spanish jerk.

I also think that the actual energetic shift of the planet will go unnoticed by most people, save for a few sensitive individuals. As far as the whole doomsday stuff goes, I'm not going for it. People try to predict the end of the world all the time but it just keeps grinding on. So I'm waiting for the day. Can't wait to see if the world starts to become a better place. wink

Oh, and by the way, the pyramids were built by aliens and about 2/3 of crop circles are authentic. grin


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PostPosted: Mon 02 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

Its not going to happen, i bet one million billion dollars the world doesnt end. I love foolproof bets.

But either way i am going to have the time of my life mocking every single moron who believed that it would be the time, oh the self esteem ill destroy, reminds me of the end of 2007 and the guy who ran rapture2007 made up things to cover his tracks....and rapture 08 and 09.com were already registered....


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

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I can't speak to much on 2012. But as far as technology, I feel it subtracts from humans.

I see technology as a good way to expand our knowledge.
The internet, for example, is one of the greatest inventions in history. It enables us to share information at speeds close to that of light. Videos, music, and messages can all be sent over the internet to communicate with people thousands of miles away. Think of a world with no technology at all, it would be much more difficult to communicate with people who are far away.
That doesn't make it perfect, though. There are still flaws that technology does present, but I think it's very possible that we can live with technology without hurting nature.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

I'd be ignorant to ignore the benefits of tech. Especially the Internet. But does it weigh out the good? People wake up. We now live in a world of identity theft. This is ridiculous. Healthcare has improved dramatically. Just keep in mind NOTHING has been cured. Not Anything between cancer or the cold. And there is a radical theory saying the polio vaccine, the only thing we did cure might have led to the advancement of AIDS. Technology isn't solving problems. It's covering them up. Disquising them if you will. So far from 2012 I know. Well maybe not. The awakening spoken off is supposed to occurr over time and complete in 2012.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

To shed some light on the subject,

physical changes are occurring as we speak, The earth's pulse, or frequency is rising.
It is called The Schuman's resonance and was always measured at 7.84 Hz, nowadays it's already reaching the 12 +.
The density is decreasing, frequency (energy) increasing.
You can't see it tomorrow morning but if you take a close look at this time last year, there was a change.
This physical change that the earth is undergoing is supposed to end on 2012 .
And regarding the Mayan calendar, they predicted the end of a cycle. Just like existence didn't spark at that cycle, there were others before and there will be others after. Just like every religion, cult, or group trying to attain power through fears, a lot of theories have been made up to capture the hearts of innocent people from their fears, since that is such a strong way to do it.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

relV wrote:
physical changes are occurring as we speak, The earth's pulse, or frequency is rising.
It is called The Schuman's resonance and was always measured at 7.84 Hz, nowadays it's already reaching the 12 +.
The density is decreasing, frequency (energy) increasing.


Thanks for the detailed info! I recall reading somewhere that the frequency of the Earth was changing, and I may have vaguely pointed to it in my post, but extra info is always great to find. The unfortunate thing is, many people treat this topic as some great rumour that they can either accept or deny as "the end of the world" without being aware that it may just be "the end of the world we created," a spiritual awakening, and the beginning of a new planetary cycle and a new era for humankind.

Actually today I had fun shouting about this topic in my Participation in Governent class. It was the first day of this half-year class and we were brainstorming topics that we could choose to talk about. Someone mentioned 2012 and I got to shout something out about the Mayan calendar and how that date is a symbol for the end of a mathematical cycle, and my teacher was like, "Gee, I hope so!" I guess people can be concerned about it since when you don't know much, and you don't know what's gonna happen, anything can go. scared Then I shouted something out about Spanish jerks.

Well, I guess I'm gonna go read about Schumann's resonance.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

Here's some quick info I found on a quick google search
I didn't read it though
http://www.thecamino.com.ar/zeropointand.htm
It says : Thank you Greg Braden, which reminds me,
He has lots of interesting books and videos on youtube you can watch, I think I posted one of them in a topic in the Lucid Lounge called the science of miracles.

Beliefs are traps
They are very easy to enter and very easy to exit , for the ordinary man , that is.

It's very sad to me that most people never stop to even consider the truth behind their beliefs.


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Earth Changes... Pulse Rising?? Good time for me to chime in I guess. Let me prove why someone's (Earth's) pulse (time) would increase (speed-up)

On 2 levels TIME IS SPEEDING UP. Because I am not a scientist I wouldn't be able to tell you such facts about the physical make-up of the universe that would cause this shift. But, time speeding up suggests there is something we are leading up to. Think of a magnet or force pulling times toward it.

Now on the level I can discuss. Anyone ever heard "Time is Money" Of course you have. Now it's time we dwell on this phrase. When the phrase is used it's often associate with someone's "time" being worth someone else "money" So in a world with only a 24 Hour day, how is one supposed to get more money. Easy, by fitting more into the day.

How do you do this? Simple answer: "convenience"
- Convenience allows a person to do more inside the allotted amount of time. By doing more, more money can be made. Pretty simple right???

With that all understood, one might say time is not speeding up, we are. It used to take 3 months to go from Europe to US, months to write a letter and get
an answer back, and hours to cook something. Now we can go between Europe and US back and forth twice in 1 day. All while talking on a cell-phone and microwaving a lean cuisine at the same time.

It easy to see why stress is the NUMBER 1 killer. Why anxiety levels are so high. Why a great percentage of kids are hyper active on medicine. It's also easy to see why time is speeding up. Greed!!!

*I will report back after some research to the other more scientific level of a time shift. Something about particle attraction... ya know the smart stuff.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

hmm

first of all,

Stress and anxiety aren't present because of the time. There are many people who are not under stress and anxiety, but they are still (incase they are still physically on earth) effected by time.
EDIT: forgot to say..
Stress and anxiety are present simply because of the programming of our society, education etc on our minds.
We are being programmed to think that we should look a certain way, behave in a certain way, live a in certain house, have a lot of money in the bank, have a certain partner etc.. to be 'worthy'. The installment of this programming results in the risings of fears in people, causing them to be stressful and anxious.


Most people don't have the slightest clue about what time is.

Going back to Einstein now , the whole concept of relativity is that time is an illusion, there is no clock sitting there ticking away.
Time IS relative
That is, if you're traveling through space, you're traveling through time.
Time and space are dependent on each other. There's no time , neither space, only space-time. Which is practically a matrix.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

What's going to happen when nothing happens? If that's the case..


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

I fully agree, time is an illusion. Sad to say most people are delusional. Exactly why I dropped in there, time isn't speeding up. We are. I don't really know if your trying to prove me wrong. When I stated I agreed with you. The earth's pulse is time... they r one in the same. And like I said a couple posts ago inventing the clock was the worst thing we ever did and the mayans know it whether they predicted the end of the world or not is besides the point. Inventing the clock was like trying to fabricate an illusion (making it real). The clock makes time seem external or separate from nature. The end of the world... dunno, but I do feel a cosmic awakening look at sites like this.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

What if we're just a bag of chemicals and stuff, and we just live, and then die.

Maybe we're just saying we're more important and special than we really are. To make our lives, or life in general, seem special or unique.

Only time will tell. If not '12, then the next doomsday.



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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

by no means did I try to prove you wrong wonderland, nor to prove me right.
I was merely trying (and always am) to broaden your perspective.
If it was helpful , if it lead to better understandings and better practical living, take it.
If not, leave it.
To me, the fact that time is a mirage is meaningless to the fact that I find a clock , at the moment, useful, sometimes.

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"What if we're just .."
I can say that I know this is not the case.
But real knowledge comes from experience, therefore I will not even try to 'explain' anything.
Just for the record, Thomas Campbell , a nuclear physicist has 'proved' (if that's what you're looking for) many of the things you certify as paranormal.
If you're interested in those things, I advise you to read his books.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

Okay, to all the non-believers. "Believers in what?" You ask. Anything higher than themselves. I can assure there is. People just get to caught up in the semantics and often miss the ENTIRE point of a loving God. If there was truly nothing after death... I mean beyond any shadow of a doubt. If there was nothing, would it be human nature to wonder and question for more. Seriously, I believe we have the innate tendency to want more. SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE IS MORE. Not saying we fully understand it by any means. And I hate people who argue over religions, like "Which one's right." They are all right. People just got to bogged down in details that could be misinterpreted anyway. TRUST ME there is something more. Even if you only base it on the fact we think there might be. Humans are good, nah we're great. But no where near clever enough to fabricate the idea of a god/gods and religion.

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Back to 2012. I know something will happen. Just don't know what. Probably NOT the end of the world tho. Maybe just the end of "how we know it" Cliché I know. I believe if anyone focus/meditates hard enough you can feel an energy of change. That should be the easiest energy to feel because it is on a global level. Don't know how I feel about Obama, but his CHANGE platform plays in hand with all this.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Feb, 2009  Reply with quote

Humans are clever enough to fabricate any belief. When theres no answer for something, lets invent one. We always want an answer, cant just leave it at a mystery.

2012 brings a change for me, I will turn 30 which means I can join the over 30's thread


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