2012 the end. Part II

hmm

first of all,

Stress and anxiety aren’t present because of the time. There are many people who are not under stress and anxiety, but they are still (incase they are still physically on earth) effected by time.
EDIT: forgot to say…
Stress and anxiety are present simply because of the programming of our society, education etc on our minds.
We are being programmed to think that we should look a certain way, behave in a certain way, live a in certain house, have a lot of money in the bank, have a certain partner etc… to be ‘worthy’. The installment of this programming results in the risings of fears in people, causing them to be stressful and anxious.

Most people don’t have the slightest clue about what time is.

Going back to Einstein now , the whole concept of relativity is that time is an illusion, there is no clock sitting there ticking away.
Time IS relative
That is, if you’re traveling through space, you’re traveling through time.
Time and space are dependent on each other. There’s no time , neither space, only space-time. Which is practically a matrix.

What’s going to happen when nothing happens? If that’s the case…

I fully agree, time is an illusion. Sad to say most people are delusional. Exactly why I dropped in there, time isn’t speeding up. We are. I don’t really know if your trying to prove me wrong. When I stated I agreed with you. The earth’s pulse is time… they r one in the same. And like I said a couple posts ago inventing the clock was the worst thing we ever did and the mayans know it whether they predicted the end of the world or not is besides the point. Inventing the clock was like trying to fabricate an illusion (making it real). The clock makes time seem external or separate from nature. The end of the world… dunno, but I do feel a cosmic awakening look at sites like this.

What if we’re just a bag of chemicals and stuff, and we just live, and then die.

Maybe we’re just saying we’re more important and special than we really are. To make our lives, or life in general, seem special or unique.

Only time will tell. If not '12, then the next doomsday.

by no means did I try to prove you wrong wonderland, nor to prove me right.
I was merely trying (and always am) to broaden your perspective.
If it was helpful , if it lead to better understandings and better practical living, take it.
If not, leave it.
To me, the fact that time is a mirage is meaningless to the fact that I find a clock , at the moment, useful, sometimes.

working class hero
“What if we’re just …”
I can say that I know this is not the case.
But real knowledge comes from experience, therefore I will not even try to ‘explain’ anything.
Just for the record, Thomas Campbell , a nuclear physicist has ‘proved’ (if that’s what you’re looking for) many of the things you certify as paranormal.
If you’re interested in those things, I advise you to read his books.

Okay, to all the non-believers. “Believers in what?” You ask. Anything higher than themselves. I can assure there is. People just get to caught up in the semantics and often miss the ENTIRE point of a loving God. If there was truly nothing after death… I mean beyond any shadow of a doubt. If there was nothing, would it be human nature to wonder and question for more. Seriously, I believe we have the innate tendency to want more. SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE IS MORE. Not saying we fully understand it by any means. And I hate people who argue over religions, like “Which one’s right.” They are all right. People just got to bogged down in details that could be misinterpreted anyway. TRUST ME there is something more. Even if you only base it on the fact we think there might be. Humans are good, nah we’re great. But no where near clever enough to fabricate the idea of a god/gods and religion.

MODERATORS PLEASE DON’T REMOVE THIS ON THE BASIS “IT’S ARGUING”*

IT’S NOT

Back to 2012. I know something will happen. Just don’t know what. Probably NOT the end of the world tho. Maybe just the end of “how we know it” Cliché I know. I believe if anyone focus/meditates hard enough you can feel an energy of change. That should be the easiest energy to feel because it is on a global level. Don’t know how I feel about Obama, but his CHANGE platform plays in hand with all this.

Humans are clever enough to fabricate any belief. When theres no answer for something, lets invent one. We always want an answer, cant just leave it at a mystery.

2012 brings a change for me, I will turn 30 which means I can join the over 30’s thread

You cannot know until you experience it.
Until you clearly see and experience non physical realities, until you see the way everything is made of mental activity, until you see we’re swimming in an ocean of consciousness, you cannot know it.
Until you see it just as clearly as you are seeing gravity pulling you down when you jump, you cannot know.
When you see it, you cannot deny it.
You simply know.
And please, don’t say we have or have not the means to understand it, speak for yourself, each person is a different universe.

True Religion must be based on unity, not diversity.

The original teachings of all religions were generally the same, but time lead people to twist those ideas into mind trapping beliefs, specifically , ones that hold people from their fears in order for the leaders, as a group, to gain control over the people.

God is just a name.

There’s no need to fabricate anything.

The only need is the desire to know,
from that desire, you will be lead to experience,
and as I said, the only thing that leads to knowing is experience.

Before you can experience, you need to let go of your beliefs, to free yourself from those traps. Think about every little thing you think you know.
Be open minded and skeptic at the same time.

It’s already happening, look around you.

If they think clocks are so bad, why did they make a calender? Calenders are used for the same purpose as clocks, to keep track of time. I could be wrong, but they sound the same to me.

Agreed. The year is just a natural cycle of the seasons, and 24 hours is just a natural cycle of night and day, all the clock and calender does is break the natural cycles up into measurable units that are easy to read for those of us who dont know how to read the suns shadows, it would be cool to be able to read the sun but having a watch is a lot easier, pretty great idea if you ask me

What exactly is happening?

revolution

It’s the other way around I’m afraid. Ask the people getting chips put into their bodies.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

Hmm, well this discussion is getting far too unscientific for me, and has all these weird and vague links from Schumann resonances to the end of the world and whatnot…so I’ll just answer some things, and maybe dip out:

Yes.

Because of survival of the fittest. Built into nature. True for all sentient species - more primitive ones below humans do still explore, and try to build a worldwide habitat through exploration.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Also:

Christianity says other religions are wrong. So that cannot be true.

So, a couple of quick things that I want to shed light on:

Schumann resonances have nothing to with this topic. There are more than one of them. I am finding it terribly hard to find sources telling me it’s going up through respectable timescales too (if you’ve got one, that’d be cool).

Time is real. Time is relative. But it is certainly real. An illusion? No. If you travel relative to someone, you age less. So it’s hardly not real, otherwise two people experiencing different amounts of time would be impossible. It is intermingled with space. The record for traveling to the future is 2 seconds or so I believe, by one of the astronauts who orbited relative to the earth for an extended time frame, and so had experienced marginally less time than the rest of us, i.e., a shade younger. Time is not speeding up, nor is our perception of time.

With nothing to keep time, you can’t do anything. Doesn’t matter if it’s the sunset, sundial or an atomic clock, you need to know the time. Watching the sun keeps track of the time. Same with a clock. No difference whatsoever.

They are.

Arbitrary. The measurement of a revolution is a a purely linguistic classification, and a continuum. Where would you draw the line that says a revolution is important? I could say that a change from rigid pencils to flexible pencils is a revolution. It depends on where you put the mark for importance, where on one side of the line something is not important enough to cause revolution, on the other side, it is.

Also, what a normal person might consider as revolution is happening all the time. Suddenly, the PC came out and the world changed forever. The first printed word. Industrial revolution. Etcetera. There have been plenty of revolutions. I can’t understand why, even if another global one did happen in the near future, why it would be different from all the other ‘revolutions’.

So, is 2012 going to be a revolution? Well, it depends how big a revolution must be, in order to be a revolution. As I said, it is an arbitrary label that does not have any fundamental meaning. This really is the case with many words. And it would just be another one. I can hardly see the difference.

But once again, 2012 has no scientific basis. None. It is based on prophecy and spirituality. I’m a science guy - which is why I like the concept of lucid dreaming. :wink:

So,
being a science guy,
if we were in the 80s
and I was now telling you Im lucid dreaming,
you would say Im a pseudo guy right?
which doesn’t know anything about reality and claims to understand things that are ‘impossible’ and ‘irrational’
right?

My probem with science, always says “How” Never answers “Why”

God is everything Humans try to take credit for. The apple fell on Newtons head, cool now we can explain gravity. Never knew how it was made though. See what I’m getting at

SCIENCE IS MAN’S INTERPRETATION OF GOD, THEY ARE NOT AN ARGUMENT FOR ONE ANOTHER.

Science loves to explain, it can only be 1 level though. There’s is something much deeper. Look around you, trees give us oxygen, we give them carbon. That’s design, not chance, by any means.

Something about Christianity saying other religions are wrong, yes but not entirely. They believe in something higher, they are not clouded by ignorance thinking we are the supreme being on this planet that just happen to be here by chance.

I went through my agnostic phase. Not knowing what’s after death simply because I haven’t died. This is an honest approach. Just look into a kids eyes, remember that 2 opposite’s came together to make them from nothing. Tis God people… and science. Once again they do not conflict.

… and on to 2012, I don’t know what will happen. But I do feel the awakening. Now is a comet gonna fall from the sky, maybe not. Is Jesus gonna come back, doubt it. Just wake-up. 2012 could be the biggest year for anyone, if they decide to flip shit around and get their life right. You don’t need a Mayan to improve your life. Quit a bad habit, save money, eat right. Do something… '12 is not the end all be all, unless you let it. See… simple.

A couple of billion years of natural selection can yield amazing results

Man whats going on this topic is suddenly taking off like a rocket. Ive been having alot of end of the world dreams too. If it wasnt for the things going on today I may not believe anything would happen,but with global warming, and war. I just dont know. Something is defintly stiring in the wind. I try to get away from luid dreaming, and finding another hobby to occupie my time, but I keep getting sucked back in by having a entersting dream, or LD. I cant get away from it. I allmost feel like God is telling me to pay attention, because the time is nearing. Does anyone else feel like that? Its getting closer. 2009, and 9 is the strangest number. Its going to be a fun year. I say fun, because Im not going to be negative anymore. Now is not the time to be hatefull. Lets pull togeather, and keep dreaming. I hate to bring in the Book of Revelations, but the antichrist just might be on his thrown. Stay alert, and for god sakes. Have fun, this was ment to be a adventure. Keep your sence of humor about, and let the games begin.

This is all just a dream, and nothing more. Its a dream about the end of the world, and when it happens we will wake up a kid scraching our heads trying to recall a obscure dream about the end of the world, and somehing called global warming, wars, the antichrist 9 11, and the whole world was connected by computers, and cell phones. It was all leading to a date of Dec 21, 2012 at 11:11am. We learned from the computer how to do something called lucid dream, and this crazy dream became a dream within a dream. We will get out of bed, and live the exprance all ovrer again, because thats why God created the universe. Its ment to be fun.

Dont panic… The real secreat is… You know those dreams you have where you wake up with having dreamed something that could change the world, or a great answer, or a truth, but we can never recall what it was. I believe as we near 2012 we will all become more, and more enlightned, and we will finaly learn the truth to everything, but when we wake from this dream we will forget it, because
God cant have us knowing his secreat which we keep learnin over, and over again.
My God I love this stuff. I do feel enlightned. Something is defintly going on people. I believe it with all my heart.

Once again, sounds cool, but means little. Example:

Look around you, mosquitoes give us malaria, we die. Nature at its very best.

Of course it could be chance, Life wants to survive, and so it does stuff to survive. Even better, plants came first before animals, and before that, there were little microorganisms. They didn’t all arise into symbiosis.

I hear this all the time, but it is interesting that the who/what/where/when/why/how questions aren’t fundamental…you can actually deconstruct all of the above into ‘what’ questions:

Who: What is the person?
What: What?
Where: What is the place?
When: What is the time?
How: What is the method?
Why: What is the reason?

And so both science and religion are both answering the same type of question - that ‘what’ question.

Now, let’s think about something else. The universe is based on logic. That’s the premise of science, and it seems that way (well, it has to be - illogic cannot affect a logical system). So let’s look at this:

1 + 1 = 2

Do we need to assign a metaphysical reason behind this equation? No. And so because the universe is logical, we shall not assign a metaphysical reason to it, either.

We don’t know how gravity was made? Yes we do. Gravity was made because the graviton arises out of one of the vibrational energy patterns of a string. That is one of the possible theories. We certainly do not know for sure how gravity is made, but you can be assured that we will someday, and very possibly someday soon with the LHC.

First, Christianity does entirely say other religions are wrong. Flat out. No arguments. Sure, the Qu’ran might say other religions are forms of the same thing, but Christianity does not offer that lenience. It says other religions are wrong, made up by Satan to mislead you away from the truth. Completely and utterly wrong, it says.

Now, please imagine that we did not have control over our thought - our subconscious made decisions for us. Imagine our subconscious decides that we can not ask philosophical questions as to our existence and impending doom, we can only do things. We can only base ideas off what we observe. We observe that we are the most powerful species on the planet.

Now, imagine our subconscious suddenly removes this control. Why would we suddenly jump to the conclusion that we are not the most powerful beings on the planet, after all that we have observed tells us that we are?

Agnosticism is reasonable. But its assuredness that nothing can be proved is almost a facade itself - ironic when you come to questions such as ‘is life all a dream?’ So is it? We shall never know for sure (or will we?), but that doesn’t matter, because even if it is, physics explains everything within that dream, and so we can still explain everything we can observe.

Well, the deal everyone is making about this 2012 thing is not some individual, make your life better thing. Sure, it may be the best year for many people, but that’s not what it’s really saying. If it were saying that, then it could be any year and would make no difference. So 2012 specifically must have something special about it, they say.

You could have given me sufficient evidence for me to realise that it is possible, and eventually, LaBerge did just that. There was never a law forbidding lucid dreaming. By the way, in 1980 lucid dreaming was not universally ridiculed. Far from it. It was always considered a possibility. It just needed to be proved.

I would never discount something that could even be remotely possible. But 2012? Well,there are many things that could happen that are just unfortunate events, but I cannot think that the Mayans saw something about 2012, a) because one simply cannot tell the future. b), because they never really said that it would be some event - I mean, who’s to say 2010 isn’t the end of an era much like the dawn of the new millennium? Just a calender thing? c), because there have been so many worldwide doomsday predictions, some hugely popularised, and clearly none have come true.

I still dont know what to think about 2012. Ive seen CNN reports talking about it. So if the media is talking about it, then something must be going on. the report I saw was something about the magnetic field leaking, and changing in 2012. I just would like to know if there is a book pre internet that talks about this, because that might dissprove the 2012 theory being rumored, and blown out of perportion, because of the net. There are things happning that are very real. The economic meltdown is just one of the things. I would just like to know if the media willl talk about it as it gets closer. Do you think they will. I mean maybie the Government knows were all “screwed”, and thats why there not really rushing to fix the global warming. Maybie the year 2012. The government will come out, and say… "OK this is what life has been building up to, so go ahead, and enjoy. Quit your job, party enjoy the last month on this planet. I doubt that would happen, but mand that would be sweet. Instead of sending everyone a stimoulus pakage, theyll send everyone a stimoulse drug such as weed. Everyone will be happy, and sharing the love, as we take our seats, and watch the amazing 2012 end of the world with no fear. LOL