Ha ha, I know what you’re getting at, but my way of looking at it is that since you’re in your mind, you know what’s going on everywhere inside it. People most often happen to take the viewpoint of themselves, but I think this could be why some people remember dreams from multiple viewpoints (sometimes I’m not sure if a dream I had was in first-person, or third-person, with me watching myself. Most dreams seem to happen in first-person, but I remember the majority in third-person).
Your mind is the place and the place is your mind.
Your mind creates its own reality seperate from this one. It seems entirely real yet nothing happens to your physical body. It is all in your mind.
This spatial element seems to only cause confusion. Dreams don’t “take place”. They are hallucinations. All you see is an image produced by your brain. Just compare it to your waking experiences! Do they take place in the physical world or in your mind? They actually HAPPEN in your physical brain, but does your mind exist in the physical world? Is your mind a “place” in any way? It seems like an odd definition of the mind. Is the mind a thing? an object? Can it be taken from place to place? And if so, what are dreams, if they take the mind-object to a place, but the place it takes the mind to is the dream itself. So the dream is the destination and the agent that moves the mind. That seems very complicated. It is so much easier to just see dreams as hallucinations that happen when we sleep. It strips away all these odd concepts that don’t seem to make sense.
Okay, um yah… all of you, right. I merely asked to prove this. Either answer is incredibly brilliant and magical. Either our minds construct a beautiful world with no limits. Or an inner body travels to a place (space I figure) and each has their own.
We’re playing God here people.
In christian teology God is loving. Wanting an Earthly kingdom of joy and the love of a family. Sound like anybody you know… yah everybody. We all ultimately want a house and a family, all the other stuff is extra.
Like ice-cream… do you really need the hot fudge, the strawberries, the jellybeans, gummi bears, caramel, nuts, and whipped cream. (Referring to life and its clutter of course… ha)
That is a very psychological way to look at things. Life is indeed like that, we are all greedy, and we all want everything, in addition to life.
Dreams are in our mind, we control our minds, thus controlling our dreams (after realizing we’re dreaming of course). Then, we become a character within our own dreams.
I would have to disagree. Some people in this world simply drift; they wander where the moment takes them. Vagrants.
In any case, I think dreams are what you make of them. If you believe that dreams are a place of peace, of meditation, then they are your sanctuary. If you believe they are a place to have fun and experiment, they are a playground. If you believe they are an artistic expression, they are your studio. Thus, dreams are what you make of them, simply because your mind controls the entirety of them.
I like the comparisons (experiment/playground stuff). But I don’t think you really disagreed with the first quote. Some people do drift, but only at failed attempts to find out what they really wanted, a kingdom and family… Do not be distracted we have been put here to practice for enternity. Do any of us deserve godliness, are any of us worthy?
I could argue that-- I don’t necessarily want a house, and I have no desire to start a family. None. Granted, I’m still young, but I am pretty sure I’m not going to change much in this regard. Although, your quote applied to Christian theology, which I have no part in.
However, if you’re merely talking about wanting a place to belong and wanting the love of the family/friends you’ve already got or may obtain, then I could say that yes, it’s probably not a stretch to assume everyone wants that. But only if you use “family” and “house” very, very loosely.
Agreed ^
Also, drifters sometimes drift to gain knowledge. Or to just experience the world. Not every human on earth wants the same thing; that’s just unrealistic. Also, eternity isn’t that long. Humankind will most likely destroy itself even before our sun goes super nova. And even if we remain alive that long, then what? We have no home. Thus, we’ll drift.
Tonchiki I do use the terms loosely. Or more symbolic. A house being a form of control and like a personal space. And age aside I hope u want a family. We were put here to learn to love. The family being the greatest of joys.
Not necessarily, Wonderland. Lone wolves do exist. There are people who don’t want a family, don’t want acceptance. Surely you can’t say that they wander, then, to find acceptance and a family. And if we were ‘put’ here to learn to love, then we’re doing a terrible job at it. If you look at human psychology in general, aggression is the dominant emotion. That’s hardwired in our brains, it’s not subjective.
Exactly, making love the answer… and agression the problem. And to the lone wolves, I love to be alone. Bust just as emotions are harddwired so is the desire to procreate and the best way to procreate is with a family. Who would try to debate this???
Excuse me? You speak of ‘why we were put here’ as if it is hard and fast. I was under the impression that is subjective, also, please don’t assume that we were ‘put here’ in the first place thanks. That is your opinion, not necessarily others.
There are plenty who would debate your point, since it revolves around purpose of being here. It can be argued that those drives are remains of age old herding instincts, and natural selection. (Those with the strongest desire to mate, being the ones who do so. Those with the best territory, being the most likely to mate. Those with traits to protect their young and mates being more adept to survive certain circumstances… etc etc) In that light, they are left-over patterns, not necessarily the point of being here and/or being concious.
This topic has gone way off course and on to a religious debate of the purpose of existence. Wasn’t the original question posed “Do dreams take your mind to a place, or take place in your mind?”
My answer to the question, is that dreams are an experience. To answer one way or the other requires assumptions about the nature of the mind and the nature of places. I’m no sure I could answer comfortably one way or the other.
To me a dream is a change of our area of focus and in many cases a change in the nature of that focus. Maybe the focus goes onto ourselves, maybe it goes onto other things, maybe a mix of the two. So I guess you could say I believe they take place in the mind, but I feel that isn’t 100% accurate.
I think one of the biggest mind F**** is when you are LDing and you stop and think this: My body is laying in bed asleep right now, I am standing here in my dream that I am dreaming as my body sleeps, everything around me I am mentally making myself yet I stand here, So I stand here surrounded by myself in side of myself.
Yeah try giving that a try.
I do not want to try to be too too “I know it all” but Christian theology is the only one to hold ALL answers. Doesn’t mean others are wrong. Just unfulfilled or complete. We WERE put here and i’m sorry for the people hiding behind the veil of “well everybodys right in their own way” We have to come to a census. Are there things wrong with Christians, yes. However science answers how and cannot dare to begin to answer why.
God is the only solid truth we have. And I believe he doesn’t get caught up in cemantics of " what u call him." just have something higher than human consciouxness. My heart ales for the athiest only believing in what can be touched. So sadly mistaking with a loss sense of child like wonder and imagination.
Wonderland, stop spouting your beliefs at others. LD4all isn’t your mission, and likewise there’s no one here who wish to receive it. You have beliefs, that’s great, but there’s a fine line between having beliefs and spreading propaganda. Just be mindful of that.
@dreamwalker: That definitely seems like a mindf***. LDing in general is so…unreal. It’s just crazy to think that we can control and create a world that doesn’t even “exist” as we know it. Just the thought of dreams is somewhat absurd if you think about it.
@ Wond3rland: I’m sorry, I don’t believe in God, or any god for that matter-- I’m what you’d call an agnostic atheist.
So I don’t really buy that whole thing. It’s not a loss of childlike creativity and wonder-- in fact, being an aspiring animator and cartoonist, I’m in that frame of mind almost constantly. I take in a lot of what others miss out on due to not having that sense of wonder and ability to have fun with what you have. I absolutely enjoy it, and this is part of the reason dreaming interests me-- it’s basically unadulterated fantasy, in which you can experience anything you want.
So I’d appreciate it if you didn’t describe everyone who doesn’t believe in God as having lost their inner child and sense of imagination. Because that’s as shallow as they come.
EDIT: And quite frankly, I’m insulted by that “my heart aches for atheists” line.
EDIT 2: No, you know what, I’m offended by that whole set of posts.
I think that this thread has been derailed long enough, no?
Wonderland, you ought to have more respect for other peoples beliefs, we’re here to talk about the nature of dreams, not whose belief system is better.
I personally think that dreams take place in the mind. They can only take our minds to a place in the loosest of senses; such as meditation may take our minds to a calm place, or at times of stress we may look for a happy place within ourselves. It is my belief that it is in that sense alone that dreams may take us places.
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