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How you go into a lucid dream/how it feels
PostPosted: Fri 04 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

This is just one thing I don't understand about lucid dreams and one thing that i don't think is really explained. I've tried the search function and it came up with nothing.

So..last night i was lieing in bed and wanted to try to go into a lucid dream..i got really relaxed and then tried doing the finger thing. I think i was close but im not really sure how its supposed to feel when im in one, its pretty dificult to explain.

Somebody on these forums said doing an RC is a way to check, but how do you do the RC when you dont know if you are dreaming, when i do an RC im usually not in a dream at all, and dont understand how youre supposed to go into one...

So, does lucid dreaming just feel like you are still awake, or do you know for sure that you are dreaming, i know you can do RC's and things to check..but as i said they usually fail for me and im still awake.

Sorry if this post makes no sense, its a pretty difficult concept to explain. whatsthat


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

Don't worry, your post makes sense. smile and welcome to ld4all!

Ok, first of all. You should try entering a LD early in the morning, after a few hours of sleep. At night it's almost impossible. neutral But you can still try, of course. It can be fun. wink

Oh, and try to expect the RC to work even if you are sure you are awake! It's kind of tricky, I know, specially if you haven't had one work in a dream yet. If you already expect it to fail it just might even if you are dreaming sadblauw

Anyway, to your question. (sorry, I talk a lot sometimes lach1) I only tried doing the finger thing (FILD) once, a long time ago. I had just started LD'ing. I told myself I'd move my fingers for around a minute and then do a RC. When I felt a minute or so had passed I thought to myself "ok, that didn't work. sadblauw There's no point in doing the RC, I know it didn't work! I'm still awake." but I decided to do the RC anyway, just because I "should". Words can't describe how surprised I was to find I could breathe through my plugged nose! eek2 I got so surprised I woke up, lol.

But the point is sometimes you are literally 100% sure you are awake and you aren't :D That's the whole point of the RC, sometimes we simply can't tell and have to do a test. But on other occasions you simply know you are dreaming, no RC needed. I don't think I can explain how it feels... you just know. With practice it gets easier to recognize a dream like this.

sorry, long post and I couldn't even explain exactly how it feels. Hop I could help anyway...


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

Don't worry about the long post, it defiantly helped. smile

That's the thing that confuses me a bit, when i did the finger thing I didn't fall asleep, just sort of went off into a haze, kind of. Then when I tried to do the RC, I think it woke me up a bit... I'm not sure.

I'll try to go to sleep for a few hours tonight, and set an alarm or something to wake me up, then try the finger thing again (FILD?), and see if this affects things to how I feel etc.


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

FILD = Finger Induced Lucid Dream, I believe

I think the thing with FILD is to be very gentle. Whne you move your fingers you should move them very little, if I'm not mistaken. Almost like only sending tiny nervous impulses to the fingers so they only twitch a bit. And the RC also has to be gentle. You did the nose RC?

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That's the thing that confuses me a bit, when i did the finger thing I didn't fall asleep, just sort of went off into a haze, kind of.


The point is, maybe you did fall asleep but didn't realize it. Your body fell asleep, I mean. Your mind stayed awake and focused on your fingers. But I don't know, try going here:

http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29419&postday s=0&postorder=asc&&sta rt=90

I'm not experienced enough in FILD, so you might find more useful tips there

Give FILD a few more tries. And you can always try other techniques to see what works best for you!


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

Thanks i'll give that topic a little read in a mo.

And yeah..maybe..it sounds about right. Hm.

Yeah, i know that when you do FILD the finger movements are supposed to be so that you only feel them moving a little, but i noticed that as i was doing it my fingers moved faster, almost of their own accord, until i realised i was doing it fast and slowed them down again.

The RC that i did was the trying to put finger through hand one?
I'll try it again tonight with the nose RC and be a little more subtle.
Thanks for the posts, theyve really helped!


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

No problem ^^

and yeah, I think the nose RC might be a bit more subtle, since you only move one hand and can remain with your eyes closed. I mean, I guess you can do the other one with your eyes closed too but, ...harder maybe? don't know


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

hehe, yeah..i was doing it with my eyes closed.

But, you have to move both your hands, so i'll try the nose one instead ^^


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

ok, good luck! let us know how it went wink

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

You're over thinking it. It's really simple. Just check of this topic. It helped me. Just realize that you don't even have to try to have a lucid dream. You will already have one without even trying! This topic is the holy grail of lucid dreaming in my opinion.

If you have any doubt, just read about the grey-lined fence on page 2.

http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12308


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

So, last night i tried FILD, and the "I AM lucid technique"

FILD, made me extremelly relaxed and i went into the same "haze" sort of thing again. Think i was close to being Lucid once again, but i think i get excited when i think im starting to go Lucid and that wakes me up? Because i can usually feel my heart beat a little faster.
All RC's tend to fail.
So anyway, I did FILD to the count of 200, did an RC and it failed.
Tried to the count of 200 once again, and once again it failed.
So then i just tried the "I AM lucid" technique until i fell asleep (quite quickly)
I didnt go lucid, but ended up having two dreams.
I do, however, remember thinking "Hm..im dreaming..cool" But i dont know if this was me thinking it..or if i was actually dreaming that i was dreaming...


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

Oh, I think with FILD you're not supposed to count! I think you tell yourself something like "I will move my fingers for about X seconds/minutes and then do a RC". Then you move your fingers for X seconds/minutes. But you don't count, you just use your intuition, wait and when you feel enough time has passed do a RC. smile But then again, who knows, counting may work as well, since you got to the faster heartbeat part.

The more you practice the better you get and the more familiar it all gets, letting you get less excited!


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

Hopefully!

I know youre not supposed to count, but then i read another post saying that counting helps? So i decided to try it..and i think it does help a little.

Going to try it again tonight, and try to keep a little more calm and get less excited about it! smile


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

oh ok lach1 Counting is a way to do WILD and since FILD is a kind of WILD... ^^

anyway, the only thing that matters is what works for you grin


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

Indeed ^.^

How many lucid dreams have you had btw?


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Sep, 2009  Reply with quote

erm.. around 316 shy2 but I'm still fighting with staying longer than a few minutes....

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