I am psychokinetic

hahaha Kava and Giospurs will now banish the expression “what were the odds ?” from english language :wink:

Thanks :smile:

thank you kava and few others. this is why you respect your elders.

science vs magic… just another case of day trying to submit the night because the night won’t show its true colors. day originated from the same place as night, so although separated at birth, their the only two who can understand and quarrel with eachother.

the second you divide them from the original power is the second you step off the path of containing them both.
…think about it the next time your having sex, its give and take.

also Vamp, give it a few years your veiws should change and if not you might find yourself blind, the one thing you might feel invincible from right now.

Blind? I do believe that it is most people who are blind by following science. I believe life was better when scientists were considered heretics. Sure, you had to fight for life, but this was what gave life its meaning. If you don’t fight for your life, than what do you fight for? Science takes away the meaning in life. It makes everything cold and meaningless. It doesn’t make room for magic, and I proved to my self many times that magic does indeed exist. I was just explaining why I’m not blind at all, but rather one who sees things.
At any rate, let’s just bring this conversation back to the original topic after this.

Prove each of your statements here with a persuasive piece of evidence.

To be honest, I find it very hard to understand how somebody can romanticise the dark ages like this. A time when people were killed for trying to further knowledge and understanding or for deviating from the norm. Where sickness and plagues wiped countless thousands off the face of the earth and people thought it was a god taking his anger out on them, having no idea about hygiene, or that they were contaminating their own water supplies with excrement. A time where it was ok to treat others with disdain, simply because they were a different colour to you. Where you could be hung if you were accused of being a witch, which is kinda ironic when you are using the term magic.

To be fair it never deviated from the original topic. You posted your experiences and interpretation of them, others are simply doing the same thing. To label what they say as off-topic, simply because you don’t agree with it, is a disingenuous attempt at censorship. You can’t share your beliefs, and insist others don’t share theirs.

I can see you are a rational type, and I respect that. The ensuing back and forth that will occur from this is not going to be productive though. You say, prove what you say with evidence. After some time and inevitably frayed and heated discussion, somebody says, why does the universe have to be logical, what proof do you have that there can be irrefutable evidence for everything. Certainly you have a valid reason to adopt that mindset, scientific method has progressed us very far indeed, it’s very rational to believe it will continue to do so; and that it can be applied productively to all things. That however is still a personal outlook on the world around you.

I never thought about it, but I was being a hypocrite by saying people who dont beleive in magic are close minded, when I myself was being close minded. Wow thanks for pointing that out to me. I really would, and need to learn that everyone cant think like me, and its usualy a waste of time to try to convince others to do so. I dont think I will ever learn this life lesson. I want to be totaly open minded even to those that I preceve as being close minded.

i hear you kava, theres always that greater understanding infinite levels up and down.

and vamp, you need to expand your consciousness because in this marathon of life, your only 14 boy… learn what it means to grow then take an adult sized look at your current headspace. im young to but i respect my elders and ALL formations of the earth for the knowledge and wonder in each.

knowledge, wonder - science, magic.

you and i and all under the sky will forever be blind untill the day that we die :cool:

Sorry about making such a big mess of this topic. I don’t know what got into me, but I felt like arguing over that trivial thing. (I kinda had a bad day) And, since I don’t like losing arguments, things escalated a little out of control. Ok, maybe way out of control. I kept using really illogical statements. I still do believe in precognitive experiences though. That won’t change. But, to be honest, I trust science. Like I said, things got way out of control.

princeton.edu/~pear/human_machine.html

A place where science and magic come together!! :woo: (Ok… they don’t actually say that… but if you want a more scientific ‘not too fluffy’ look at the kind of experiences this topic is talking about AND also to illustrate, yet again, that science (or more precisely, the scientific method) is not as closed minded as a lot of people on this forum make it out to be. (this LUCID DREAMING forum could potentially not exist if not for the scientific work of Laberge opening up the techniques and experience to a much larger audience other than those esoteric few).

As for myself, I like to experience events such as conincidences and let the mind play with the possiblities that it can imply, and even sometimes, the string of events that lead from those conincidences afterwards. But to give it meaning? I don’t know? To think I know what it all means would be pretty arrogant.

Science is as (if not more) imaginative than magic. I find myself in awe just conceptualising how the earth came to be, from one event to another to another.

Thanks, I think this was the stuff that I was looking for earlier. Did anyone check out the other links I posted in my earlier comment?

@ Vampirism45
It takes guts to admit you were wrong, let alone apologise publicly for it. It also deserves respect.

@ Kava
Similar to above, respect.

Ah… what a conincidence then eh?! :tongue: I can’t remember how I stumbled on the link actually - was some time ago and I thought it was pretty interesting.

I looked at your link…even watched the video. The holographic universe is a term I have heard before but never really understood until now. From the idea of a holographic universe the idea arrises, to qoute, “If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected.”

Which leads me to think about a documentary I saw on TV in the early hours of one morning about the creation of the universe, the planets, earth and life… and how it all comes back from particles of dust… ultimately… we are all made from the same material, just put together in different ways! Its like having two identical boxes of lego, throw them on the floor you will get two different things. (this is not a topic about creation though - but the idea we are all connected back to the same source). Sooooooooooooooo… the idea that we can all resonate on the same level is then entirely possible. It opens up ideas of telekinesis… we don’t move things with our minds - we are the thing and we move together.

Think about moving your hand. It happens so automatic, you really dont have to ‘think’ about moving it, just about controlling where you want it to go. (they sound like the same thing, but they are not).

Only criticsm I have on the link is how they apply the theory to memory. The experiements they site are pretty outdated, and a lot more is now known about the encoding of memories. Still, I would be interested in finding some more information about testing the ideas against more recent memory theory.

Also, the holographic universe means that reality exists in a state of plasticity. Something, which current neurological research is discovering that the brain is far more plastic than once thought.

Interesting stuff.

That’s exactly what people who practice telekinesis try to do! :eek: I’ve heard that they focus on the object they are trying to move until there is no difference between them and the object. Then, they say that they can move it as easily as if the object were a part of them.

i have personally witnessed coffee cups sliding across a table through the projection of consciousness ,

this ability to move matter is in the solar plexus chakra, which can be developed htru chanting,

if you want to feel what it is like to have this chakra active you can listen to my “crystal singing bowls” mp3 in the quest for lucidity, the first singing bowl for 75% o the track is a rose quartz solar plexus chakra bowl
not that it wlll give you psychic powers (although it could in time ) but you will probably feel that chakra be open and active ,

I have a sort of odd thing about me, i will see something i have never seen before in a dream, and forget about, then later (a month, a year, an hour) i’ll see the image in the excact same perspective in my dream.

I might have seen to stuff before though, so i doubt it’s anything real.

You can turn things on with your mind huh? You are making huge claims, I’m surprised there aren’t more people calling you out.

Video, or it’s not true.

Video, or it’s not true.

(I took the liberty of correcting some mistakes so it’s easier to read).

once while i was reading To Kill a Mockingbird with the TV on… I had just read the part about Mr. Avery then looked up at the TV and it was the behind the scenes episode of Fresh Prince of Belaire right as Will Smith was going into James Avery’s dressing room… O.O

that’s called dowsing, i don’t know if the results you get are always right, but the military used to do it,

to dowse, ask a question you know the answer is no, and see what the no response is
then ask one for yes
then you know that whenever you ask something it will swing to answer yes and no

this is something i am somewhat skeptical about,
you are accessing your subconscious at the very least, which is fascinating , because it will swing when you ask, and it will show you how strongly you believe something

and you’re right it does not seem like we are making it swing

crystals are susceptible to thought and energy which is incredibly obvious or they wouldn’t be used in computers and technology

and you can feel their energy by rubbing them and being patient , it is a simple energy to detect ,

this is more like your consciousness influencing the future than being precognitive,

it doesn’t always work but we notice the successes and these build a superstition of sorts ,

it can be precognitive if you are subconsicously aware of where your friends are and your minds are linked though ,

i had met someone i hadn’t seen in a year or two or longer, suddenly i was thinking of him, and he came up behind me, not knowing he even went to the same school

there are also endless instances where what we are thinking doesn’t manliest, thank g*d!

you are right kava,

there is a fractal illusion where on the tv they teach us esoteric magical principles, every fricking sci fi show has the same basic trues (well not EVERY , how do you describe something with words, perfectly you express what comes to mind and let it be and flow )

for instance,
yoda lectures us on the force
but since is a green muppet it must be fake
surely there is no cosmic energy even though every single prophet all the way back and forward in time, teaches the SAME EXACT TRUTH
holy spirit
chi
prana
hm

these people were delusional because they studied cosmic truth instead of watching wheel of fortune and worrying endlessly about everything there is under the sun to worry about
WHICH IS NOTHING,

you could quote the tao te ching but modify it a little bit in a movie and people would dismiss the truth as fiction because its in a movie ?

how many jesus stories do we need? Harry Potter, the matrix, star wars, the story keeps telling itself over and over

the message is always : if you don’t do it no one will do it for you, WAKE UP NEO

how many different ways must it be ?

there is ANOTHER ANGLE TO THIS
one that says these themes are dominaint in the movies only because they are so active in our focus and imagination so people are inspired consciously or not to retell them ,

i.e. the scene in waking lie about Phillip K Dick re-writing a bible story without realizing it ,

check it out

youtube.com/watch?v=ZqAKK9zcB7w

THE MESSAGE IS EVERYWHERE
do you want to wake up ? do you want to take your power back, or do you want to give it to others and let them play you with illusions ?

that is not the ONLY message , its just something that happens to people,

some people their trip is to enjoy senses and consumerism and that’s fine , but there is the people that begin to learn how to get back in touch with the right brain

which is why this is a lucid dreaming forum rather than a dow jones forum

all these movies do is make us identify viacriously with all the characters which subly influence our future thoughts and experiences, and the good ones try to make the main character go through enough realization sthat they impact the sleeping masses to wake up and think for themselves

i.e. if an angry hateful person is in a movie, and he learns, 9in a realistic way ,how to be kind, this will take all the angry hateful people that identify with him and make them change their minds even a tiny bit IF their sense of disbelief in the movie is suspended enough that they don’t questino it

but this not questioning the most ludicrous ideas we are presented with is what … is … you know… bad …

because its easy to manipulate people that aren’t as smart as you and profit tremendously from it, and that is what most of the media does right now, the word media literally refers to a black magic process of hypnosis dating back to a time where sorcerers were from a place called media

the word hollywood literally refers to a magical wand, made form holly , it is the function of them, its why they are here,

and it doesn’t matter one colorful metaphor unless you realize that you want to live independently and take control of your life and be happy and flourish and grow, at which point you realize any negative suggestions no matter how many friendly faces are selling them to you , are HARMING YOU ,

the idea that BEING SICK IS INEVITABLE is the idea in about every DRUG commercial isn’t it ? they aren’t giving you commercials on how to NOT GET SICK very often,

it is massive collective hypnosis and it takes a tremendous amount of time to build up toxicity and create events but it does it,

the intellectual, sound, peaceful argument, which is creative, which is honest, is no match for loud flash noises and FEAR MONGERING ,
hate speak and emotionally charged rhetoric

CAN YOU IMAGINE, right winged , very angry , not loving, Christians, think its good to let the poor die, and only heal the wealthy and JUST HATE THE IDEA OF FREE HEALTH CARE because its somehow evil to help your neighbors that aren’t millionaires ?

well its cus the pharmaceutical companies tell them what to say and how to say it, with some nice bucks in the pocket

and so they use emotions and scary images, and religious ideals ( and i hasten to add, a leaked slideshow from the republiCANT convention shows that the best way to get contributions is to make the poor fearful, and to peer pressure the rich ) , to hypnotise the sleeping people into being hateful at some imaginary enemy ,

even these words are in a way hypnosis, it is just that you can take them apart and disagree with every single one and state the opposite, but ideally you would find the truth in what i say, discard the rest, and bu9d on my momentum, disregarding my ego ,

it is the concept of open source code, it favors only progress ,

i know i do write a lot an\d i hope it is informative and useful, these are topics i study here and there,
this is a great documentary of supernatural powers

anyway , it doesn’t matter, until you witness it yourself you will be what you are, no amount of proof convinces someone that doesn’t want to believe unless what they see is so surprising that it leaves them in total shock

just don’t be negative and mean

and i hope that each person that would be so harsh would get such a shock, it is a very nice experience

anyway , what part of witnessing implies that i have performed the act ? i never claimed to have done it intentionally , i’ve been around someone who can, and i think even ANY OF YOU if you were ever around such a person would immediately feel how strong his energy is, even if you’ve never felt it before in your life, weird stuff happens around someone with such a field

trying to be superior to people and make them look bad is weakness and hostility, we are here to cooperate and learn, we are all equally different and fundamentally the same , i you have to go around correcting people and calling them liars you are wasting your time, there will always be a new one to battle, and it won’t get you anywhere

i don’t know who i am talking to by the way, just that there are people like this, if it is not about you it isn’t about you , because i don’t know you

now look :

either this person is making it up or he’s telling the truth, how can you know WHICH ONE IS TRUE unless you’re a mind reader ? why discredit the experiences of others, why jump right to the negative ? it shows an inner pain and a desire to dominate

there are people who lie and make up stories, yes ,
there are real psychic experiences, yes , and some day you’re going to have one, or meet someone , or hear about it so much that you start to wonder, not all these people can be making it up , until they you want some proof

which is understandable if you’ve never developed yourself that way

my posts really don’t have to mean anything, its up to the individual

i hope i didn’t make you think i could do this , because that is not what i said

but i can tell you that when you are aware of the innate molecular vibration of something you are looking at and focusing upon, you can move it with your will power,

it may have something to do with melanin, and some day science will explain these mysteries to the public, once they understand them properly

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when you sit and watch star wars, you are , in a way, being robbed and swindledblind, because you are being taught that what you are seeing is fictional, so instead of , right then, in that moment, spending time with a guru, a living breathing master of whatever it is he has mastered, and learning how to do these very things " These works and greater shall you do in my name."
you are being taught they aren’t real !
(never mind this star wars tried to show us the perfect truth of our reality )

so when you go to your organized religion, no one is mastering the holy spirit, they believe that their prophet could do it, and , maybe some people can do it, but they don’t generally know how, so they don’t teach you
so its the same thing, you are hearing these romantic stories and yet you are being disconnected form the very core essence of truth that made them magical,

while making the people a pretty penny

people are hypnotised into being either dogmatically religious (it doesn’t matter what religion ) or dogmatically skeptical and rigidly scientific, or incredibly shallow and confused and air brained and hair brained and living only for raw pleasure gratification, and their main source of information is showing them actual fractalized depictions of TRUTH , the same TRUTH of Jesus, Moses, Buddha, etc, in such a way that they thin "gee that’s nice what else is on "

we see Jim Carrey chant allllrighty then and go out of body to meet his master,
so we laugh, it is very comical and funny

and we also wonder if thats possible
so at that moment we either say “yes” or “no”
then we desire it, we can desire it and believe its not false, or desire it and believe it is false

okay
but Jim Carrey recently got mega into meditation and says it saved his life, isn’t that funny ?

theres a tremendous reason for all of this, it is incredibly abstract, and it is because the tv is usurping our collective anestry and the memories we get from the collective unconscious, it is becoming the core transmitter of archetypal, mystical information

so instead of having an open third eye and seeing higher truths, we are replacing the third eye with manufactured images, most of which are illusions designed only to make us incredibly dumb and manipulate our docility for the creation of profit ,

but some of which are honestly trying to shift us into a golden age

you can give kids loaded guns, or you can give them flowers, when you take responsibility over people’s MENTAL FOCUS you are playing with something ,

powerful to say the least

the mind influence is not from the obvious images, its something as subtle as , what is this tv dad yelling about ? hm, and we watch it, and we don’t feel that he is doing something wrong, we feel a thrill in his anger

so then we become similar, instead of different, we move towards being THAT EXACT REPLICATION OF BEHAVIOR instead of away from it

if you don’t think people are insane just go hang out with young girls and listen to what they talk to, or boys

it is like listening to the echoes of a huge collage of sitcoms

if i say POPCORN, SEX

this influences you ,

but if i say it in a way that you don’t notice exactly what is what, it influences you even more,

the arab in almost EVERY SINGLE MOVIE AND CARTOON EVER MADE is made to look ABSOLUTELY INSANE AND EVIL

the holcoaust happened because people did not wake up and realize that every single thing the political parties were saying is TOTAL LIES ,

if you listen to even just a little bit, and lose your vigilance, you are hypnotized, controlled, and influenced,

how can we possibly question the reality of any mainstream news when we are getting multiple stories at once , if its fair and balanced they don’t have to say it is
that they say it is means its the most skewed lies out there

the truth constantly speaks out from as many places as it can until it is understood

i hope this makes sense,
the formation of prejudice in our minds against psychic experiences while are constantly be shown these experiences in the media is in order to , on one extreme, discourage our drive to cultivate them ( we demonize mush*ooms but not alcohol, almost every tv show has someone sipping a beer, how arbitrary is that ? its like hating every color of people but white ) , and on the other hand implores us to wake up to the fact that we are capable of essentially anything

if you , any one, wnats these abilities bad enough, there is someone in india that can teach you, guaranteed, asia, probably, also,
and certainly , everywhere, and many of them have the awareness to FIND YOU ,

but

not all of them are good because to be a sort of a “wizard” and dabble with occult phenomenon is not in and of itself loving and kind and of service to humanity

by the way, these images, these layers of illusion, in our mind, of residual likeness, are what form up our dreams and also block us from understanding things on a deeper level,

when you think of mari*uana, there are a lot of incredibly fierce, hateful fear mongering prejudices that come into many people’s minds, when the reality of the suchness of that contains both positive and negative traits,

yet you are reaidly seen people sipping beers and having a good time, while the plant itself being incredibly more safe by the thousand fold, whil still posessing some dangers of course, trivial in comparison, still REAL, and should not be ignored ,

IS INCREDIBLY HATED AND FEARED with such force that it is impossible to go on tv and advocate that it should be respected, as the people who use it, at least HALF THE COUNTRY

why ? because its a WAR ON YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS,