Character Assisted Lucid Dreaming...CALD part VIII

@Ninja: I’ll check out the character chats and read out of curiosity, but would it be fine if I had to make up almost, if not ALL of her responses if i were to interact with any other characters?(being that i stopped talking to her when she was EXTREMELY puppet-like) Also, would I really still be able to have her flesh out as an independent character if i were to continue talking to her now and KEEP talking to her? :meh:

Absolutely. At first it will indeed be puppett like, but then your MC will start to think on its own. Eventually you can get to the point where they can have perfectly normal intellectual debates with them. I would suggest posting about your character and character updates herem and then going to the Character chats is really good for developing characters. Tsi’leik got developed that way, although Jessica(my other MC) spontaneously appeared fully developed withoutany concious effort, although that as far as I know, hasnt happened to anyone but me (yay, I feel special). If you read the character creation tutorial, it goes more in depth on developing an Independent character. I like to look at it like this: by making a character, you plant the seed. By interacting with the character, even though you are making up the answers, you water the seed. Eventually, after a few days of constant watering, the seed will sprout. You’ll tell when your MC “sprouts” because suddenly your MCs answers seem different, even though you may still be making up the answers. Then you, maybe after another day, dont have to make up the answers at all, and from then on, youre set! My point is, talk to your MC even if your making up the answers, and soon you wont be.

ahh thanks Ninja. :content: and btw i actually DID read the character tutorial and all back late in August when I first created Molly. :tongue:

Your welcome, and good luck, but dont expect instant gratification. Tsi’leik took a week to become somewhat developed. After that, its easy because they become more intelligent and self thinking over time.

Haha thanks! And I’m well aware of not getting instant results :lol: It might even take longer to have some kind of development, being that I dont have much time to actually focus on talking to her. So I’m all down with being patient :content:

My headache is very persistant at the moment, but it’s going away slowly.
Anyhow, I can visualise Eden’ mtorway almost perfectly now.

Me and my characters went back to Erehwon, and the locals have devised a plan to get into the city. They would send us (expecting us to do the work!) into the sewage system, which in turn leads into the city. It’s getting into the pipe that the hard part - galleons on water runs out every second, and the current is really strong.

Teraflare, I know i already asked this at some point, but how to you see these scenarios? do you visualize them, or do you do them in LDs, or what? I’m curious to know.

It’s a visualisation. Since I’m still trying to create Eden, it would be slightly tricky for me to do that in a dream at the moment…but the conversations with characters while lucid are quite easy.
Usually the scenarios happen before bed when I’m really tired. I listen to music whilst visualising sometimes too.
I just close my eyes and try to visualise my characters before I sleep. When I fall sleep, they will hopefully make me lucid because that’s the last though.

Me and my characters got into Erehwon’s main city. It wasn’t a city…it was a factory. It turns out the military are building machines for war…not sure what’s going on. When they found out we got in, they chased us and we quickly got back to Eden without hurting ourselves.
The military were definitely hiding something.
We went back to the PSR General, and he told us he knew about Erehwon’s secret. He didn’t tell us why, though. He gave us a few days off, so Hyperion attached some spare parts to his car, and we flew to Lunile. It’s a very mysterious place.

Lunile is surrounded by a huge dome because the air pressure outside is too high, and can damage a human. After getting to Lunile (near Erehwon’s river is a road. It’s outside Eden, and we just followed the road there), we went inside the dome. It’s bigger on the inside, just like the TARDIS.

Inside was like Eden’s Shopping Centre, but it was slightly smaller. I looked through a telescope to see the moon, but that’s not the only thing I could see. I saw a huge ship, coming closing very second.
It was Erehwon’s Military. They wanted to get rid of us, so they began trying to crack Lunile’s dome. The dome is made from Bulletproof glass, so it wouldn’t be easy to get in. Suddenly, the dome began to crack, and we had to get out of there before we ran out of oxygen.
Me, Lydia, Dragon and Hyperion got in the car and flew away, feeling guilty seeing innocent people getting hurt. We went back to the house in Eden to get away from all of it. The PSR were on high alert when we got back, for some reason.

Thats awesome, I should try something like this. By the way, thank you for asking advice on how to visualize better. It inspired me to work on a Visualization guide to go in the knowledge bank.

Well i figured i give some kind of progress report since its been a short while.

I’ve been talking with Molly on and off these past couple of days, not any real significant development so far (not that i expected there to be), but I’m working on it. :content:

I found a new “essence”, so to speak, for a new character about a couple days ago. I tried to ignore it a little because I didnt want to end up multitasking with developing characters, but i just couldnt resist. :tongue: This one came about when i was feeling angry/frustrated, even his appearance came with it to some degree. I definitely felt this one was a male, so I named him Agnus just now. I find it strange i went with this one being a male being that I overall get along and get personal in conversations more easily with females, but i had this gut feeling it was male so I’ll just go with it. I’ll begin talking to him in a bit. :smile:

Ummm thats all for now really. I’ll give another progress report type thing in a few days i guess. Bye for now. :cool_laugh:

cool, I cant wait to meet them.
Now my progress report:
Tsi’leik: Witty and cynical as always, and is encouraging me to do what Teraflare does and visualize adventures so we can sort of see Jessica, Tsi’leik, and I in a dream type environment. I still have lots and lots of trouble visualizing Tsi’leik (how Ironic).
Jessica: Just as developed as Tsi’leik, but has not chosen a form yet, although it will be human she says.
I’m wonderimg if I will make another character, If I find an “essence”, then I will.

Glad I could help.

I’ve been visualising my cities a bit more often, since I’m staying with my characters in Eden for a while. It will shake Erehwon off for a while, and since Eden is huge, they won’t find us.
I even sometimes listen to specific music tracks which I think suits the city’s atmsophere when I’m visualising. It makes me feel like I’m there…in my mind, that is :smile:

I see Mr Talon died, but I was reading about all this and got interested. Erm, I was wondering, is it bad to use a character who frequents your dreams? He’s always there and it seems like he wants to be used. But he’s a bit of an inquisitor, and he kinda wants an answer. I’m not even sure that works out but hey, he’s the one that frequents my dreams, so I have a feeling he’d be able to lead me into them. He has a kinda special power with them. It’s a bit hard to explain.

P.S: What’s FILD? I saw it mentioned in one of the other threads.

Yeah, Its just fine, if not better, although it differs from person to person. The fact that you think its a good idea seems to say that it would be for you. So go ahead.
And when did this split into another topic! breaks into song Sunrise, sunset, sunrise, sunset, swifly fly the years…

PS and I think FILD is FInger Induced Lucid Dream

Sneaks back in I think it is an excellent idea. Also, I wish LD4all had told me there were people posting here. >.>

Oh so I’m nonexistent. No, Ill just retreat to the corner and sit in a fit of depression. Really, don’t mind me :razz: (again with that emoticon! :razz: ).

Really Eilatan, I highly suggest you go right on ahead and make those MCs. The more the merrier!

It’s too bad he’s not a big talker. Hm. He’s more the “silently staring at you till you get it” type. XD And lol FInger Induced Lucid Dream??

Me and my characters escaped into the forest North of Eden.
In the forest, we saw the Dragoon Knight’s girlfriend. She told us that they have a lot of Erehwon’s army trying to find us. We heard the Dragoon Knight coming, so we hid in a nearby hedge.
The Dragoon Knight thought he saw movement.
I found an Erehwon military mask, so I put it on to trick the Dragoon Knight. He thought I was searching for them, so I “continued doing so” while my characters went prone next to me.

After trying to sneak through the forest some more, the military caught us off guard and realised it was us. They began burning the forest down, trying to get us.
The PSR troops then arrived, and distracted them so we could make an exit
After hours (what it seemed like) of running through Eden Forest, we found an entance that lead to the outskirts of Helios.

Dragon and Hyperion were reluctant to take the elevator because Erehwon would eventually find out, and think that they are trying to start a war on Helios (Eden and Helios are good allies). We took the entrance, which lead into the outskirts of Helios.
There’s alot of derelict buildings, where it was 250 years ago. After getting through, we’d make it into the main city and think of something there.

Helios is actually easier to visualise because the structure is so basic.
It’s just hard remembering what it looks like when I’m dreaming, for some reason.

I’m in another LD hotspot, but I’ve had low awareness so it’s been a bit tricky for me.
I managed to stabilise a LD last night for 5 minutes, but unfortunately couldn’t reach Eternos.
Anyone have any ideas how I can teleport to Helios in the dream world? I’m not sure how to go about it. Spinning usually wakes me up, or puts me in a FA, making me loose lucidity.

I suggest a door. Just think about where you want to get to. Or maybe quick sand. Shrugs

I feel like stopping by and writing up a progress report. :tongue:

So far Molly is coming along ok. I’ve been talking to her on and off and every once in a while I’ll feel a response different from what I would have her say. Like I would come up with a response and begin to respond for her, and just as i begin I’ll get this feeling that she wants to say something else, so i go with whatever that feeling tells me the kind of response i should have her say. Also when i visualize her, her appearance becomes less and less different from what i initially imagined her as. I can see these are good signs.

As with Agnus I didnt really talk to him much. If i were to tell you how far i made it into the character creation tutorial, I’d say I’m done with step 3 for him. I gave him a background and a bit of a personality. Back when i initially gave him a name, however, he kinda had this android-robotic-ish voice. SO he will forever be a robot-type character :tongue:.

Though i have a few questions. What would it feel like when your character responds automatically? Like, Ninja, with your characters Tsi’leik and Jessica, how do you know for sure that they respond of their own will? Do they respond in the voices that you imagined them having (well except Jessica, you said she appeared well-developed out of nowhere)? Also, beyond the character chats, where else could i go to further develop my characters (not directed JUST towards Ninja, i mean towards people participating in this in general)?

sigh wow i made this pretty long i apologize. But guess it couldnt be helped :shrug: