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the BIG riddle topic [part VII]
PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec, 2003  Reply with quote

this is a continued discussion. Here is the previous part:
http://ld4all.com/forum/?http://forum.ld4all.com/view topic.php?t=4599

Three men walk into a hotel and request a room. The clerk says that it is 30 dollars. Each man then pays the clerk 10 bucks. Later the clerk realizes he made a mistake and that the room was only 25 dollars, so he gives his bell boy $5 and tells him to give it back to the men. The bell boy does not know how to divide 5 dollars among 3 men so he keeps two for himself. So know that he has given 1 dollar to eah man they have now paid 9 dollars each, right? So 9 times 3 is 27 and the bell boy has 2. Where is the other dollar? eh

The clerk does not have it


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec, 2003  Reply with quote

I give up, my head hurts cry


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec, 2003  Reply with quote

we already have one of these topics.

Quote:
It helps to write this out a table, or get it down on paper visually:

Deskman Bellboy Men
-----------------------------
$0 $0 $30 <-- men have not yet paid for room
$30 $0 $0 <-- men pay deskman
$25 $5 $0 <-- deskman pays bellboy
$25 $2 $3 <-- bellboy stiffs men

+$25 +$2 -$27 <-- net result of all the transactions: the difference in what each group of people has vs what they started with
after all money has changed hands
Here, the last row is simply the difference between row 4 and row 1.
In all but the last row, the sum of the dollar values along each row
is constant and equal to $30. In the last row, the apparent fallacy is
that the men and the bellboy should have 30 dollars between them, but
this statement is false, as it obviously ignores the question of what
the deskman has. In fact, the correct statement about the last row is
that the sum of what the deskman and the bellboy have must equal the
debt of the three men.

The men have collectively paid 27 dollars for the room, which is
obvious, since the bellboy took $2 and the actual cost was $25. And so
we see that there is no missing dollar, because the $27 the men paid
is a debt, written as a *negative* number, and the $2 the bellboy took
is a profit, which is a *positive* number, and the sum is not $29, but
a debt of $25, which was paid to the deskman.


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec, 2003  Reply with quote

eek2

That's an incredibly complicated way of explaining the answer.

Lucidity_Master wrote:
So 9 times 3 is 27 and the bell boy has 2. Where is the other dollar?

The two dollars that the bell boy has are part of the 27, plus the three he gives them back equals thirty.


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec, 2003  Reply with quote

The way I've always looked at it is this

The hotel clerk has the money the men paid him &25
The bell boy has 2
ANd the men have three

Those are where the 30 are


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

since Q locked my orignial place for this post i'm gueesing she wants me to post it here

Riddle!

A man without eyes saw apples on a tree,
He neither took apples nor left apples,
How can that be?


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

He saw HI and there where no apples on the tree grin

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

uhh he was blind he saw no apples.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

two wrong answers so far

siiw grin


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

ok got it, shall I ruin it for everybody?

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

ok here goes. The riddle uses plurals, the guy only has one eyes, so he doesn't have eyes. He sees a treee with two plums, and he takes one, so he doesn't take plums. He leaves one on the tree, so he doesn't leave plums

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

ok a relatively easy one.

The man who invented it didn't want it, the man who buys it doesn't need it, and the man who needs it doesn't know it. What is it?


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

Coffin ^^

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

I don't know if I've already posted this but I'll do it just in case. It's relativly easy smile


My first is formost legally
My second circles outwardly
My third leads all in victory
My forth is twice ends a nominee
My answer is life's only key


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

PistGurl wrote:
ok here goes. The riddle uses plurals, the guy only has one eyes, so he doesn't have eyes. He sees a treee with two plums, and he takes one, so he doesn't take plums. He leaves one on the tree, so he doesn't leave plums


everything you said was correct......except where the hell did the 'plums' come from????
he saw apples not plums, what were.......*loses intrest*

the answer to charlotte's riddle is love
(however, i dont agree with what the last line implies)

my next riddle is as follows:

a horse is tied to a 15 feet rope and there is a bail of hay 25 feet away from him, yet the horse is able to eat from the bail of hay.

How is this possible whatsthat




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