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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

Man wouldn't it be strange to be the sun. Just sitting there. Hanging out in the sky. Minding your own business and then all of a sudden all these people are looking at you all the time. Just staring blankly up at you. All the time, all over the world, everywhere. Some of them trying to worship you.

I don't know if I could handle that sort of pressure.


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

its been easy to go a day without food

been doing 30 minutes to an hour a day

today i only got a few in though but might see sunrise


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

I've given up the whole "middle of the day sun-gazing" thing

my eyes aren't good enough to see it without strain

some practitioners of Bate's method say that you should only look at sun when it is very bright, to see if your eyes are weak, for if they are strong it will be just as looking at a flower

but forget that

it caused some disturbances

i'm back to within the +/- 1 hour of rise/set
the "safe" zone, with no UV

its really quite good

doing it 1 hour a day, both rise and set, which is not HRM protocol precisely

now what I have noticed is today I got up and did sunrise, and when I went to the store many hours later (after much sleeping) there was a HUGE clarity shift in visual keenness,

it seems vitally important, for photosynthesis and healing of the mind body and eyes and everything

to only do within 1 hour of sunrise and set

and the giant hot mid-day sun seems a waste of time.

now the situation is that lately i've had so much energy that i don't want to sleep, and have to trick myself into doing it, like going to bed at 8 a.m.

i also do not have any hunger at all, and am going to fast

the orgone energy generator under my bed and the quartz necklace i wear are giving me quite a bit of energy and i often get the impression i could go without sleep, or sleep only an hour or two a day.

i do not feel particularly joyous however walking home gazing with my fingers in a mudra some pangs of love and joy hit me

i am noticing a giant rainbow aura as the eyes focus and defocus and heal around the sun as a very large circle, containing as many colors as possible for me to see indigo being the highest i got to

it came without me expecting it and there was no "effort" to keep it there, to 'want" to see it didn't help it stay but it was fairly persistent.

it looks a lot like psychedelic Hindu paintings of auras.

*actually I am a bit frazzled on the issue of fasting
it is not that i hunger it is that i enjoy food

and am at a healthy weight

and it is not that i do not have energy, i have plenty

mainly it is that i do not yet drink enough water, and so thirst and persistent dehydration are mistaken as hunger

which is something most people in america encounter 24/7

the benefits of extreme clarity and love and bliss far outweight eating waffles

however its not as if i need to totally quit eating, i can fast now and then effortlessly

the issue then is ....... what do I want ? if I had my own home to seclude myself in, especially in nature, i fancy myself doing extensive fasting + sun - gazing

I am interested in spreading this practice to heal obesity and various Americanized dis-eases and to do that I would have to see for certain that I can go many days without hunger

and so I should bite the bullet and do it, and not cave into petty lustful taste sensations, just as an experiment.

perhaps the time is not quite right for it yet.


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

you can't do photosynthesis with your eyes, there's no chlorophyll in them.


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

hey eyelids!!

thanks for this thread post.

I was lucid last week, and I sun-gazed.

It was bright, and I recall it being nice.

Perhaps, I will try some more.


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

Muzzius wrote:
you can't do photosynthesis with your eyes,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/378210/The-Art-and-Science- of-Sun-Gazing-Living-o n-Sunlight

the fine print on this container of epsom salt in my bathroom is getting to where i can vaguely read it, its been my marker for measuring how my vision is doing.

its a very long process

how many here can read license plates on cars while driving ? with / without glasses

have never been able to either way

when i get to that point i'll know its pretty groovy.

for anyone starting out just do it when its orange, like 5 minutes after rising or setting, the eyes can get used to it to where if you watch sunrise you could stare at the sun all day even when its fully bright but I don't see why that's necessary, though a Russian did it recently for 18 hours.

essentially for aligning the chakras and feeding the body with light only this +/- 1 hour window works and is "safe"


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

Sorry Eyelids, I couldn't find a straight answer in that book, and I don't really want to read through it all looking for it, so could you just tell me the bit you wanted to show me?


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

i love u for posting this!!!! :D u r a great person for doing so! lol
now am gonna do it. and i agree with everything u said: hunger is just a feeling , mind controls everything. and pain is also same. i get hit soetiems and i say its not a big deal it is a state of mind, so i stop thinking about, and it goes away. heehee grin
and i always thought about sun, once we were out in the sun a themepark and my arms wee bare, and some of my acne on arms disappeared. so yay! i shud do it more often. but that was in india where sun shines and everyone is out all the time. but here in USA school and homework just keep us inside. i wish i cud see it more, i will try my Bestest!!! ^^ thank u (like more than u can count times!!!)


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The earth is flat and we are the center of the universe as the sun you are all talking about orbits the Earth.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 May, 2009  Reply with quote

<mod> merged into existing topic moogle </mod>

This topic was brought to my attention quite recently and I was just stunned. I thought I'd share this amazing revelation.

In case you are not aware of this, your body is an electrical unit. You need electrical energy to live. Food has electrical energy in it. A chocolate cake for example has approximately 1 Mhz of energy while a couple of green vegetables have 60-80~

If you stick to a diet with foods which are high in electrical energy, after a few days, your energy levels, physical, emotional and mental simply skyrocket. If someone wants to try it, say something and I'll explain this further, specifically, how to try it for a week or so to see for yourself.

Sun gazing is a daily process in which you gaze directly at the sun at the safe hours , after 9 months, you become a solar being.

There are two safe zones. The first hour after the sun rises, and the last one before it sets are times when UV radiation is minimal and it is safe to gaze directly at the sun. The process is basically gazing at the sun for a limited period of time daily. On the first day, you gaze for 10 seconds, then 20, then 30, etc etc etc.. It's important not to hasten the process to keep the eyes safe. You need to stand on bare foot while doing this, and on bare soil. Beach sand is the best. But soil, without any grass on it is just fine.

The first 3 months , when you reach the 15 minutes mark, your brain starts improving drastically. Mental problems seem to disappear and a general feeling of well-being is replaced. Fears start to go away and you just become a loving and lovable creature. Your whole functioning goes way beyond your wildest imagination.

During months 3-6, as you reach the 30 minutes mark, physical ailments start to go away. Your body becomes practically invincible hence to the profound energy supply your brain receives. Your brain is in control over your body. Without a functioning brain, the body is worthless. With the so few energy we provide our brains, it's hard for it to take care of the body. When you provide this source of amazing energy, your body gets better and better and better.

In the last 3 months (6-9) as you get to the final 44 minutes mark, hunger starts to drop exponentially. Note, there is no need to let go of eating or anything like that. It's not about fasting or practicing some sort of spiritual tradition. You should keep eating as long as you want to. It's just a natural part of the process. When you get to around 40 minutes of gazing per day, your hunger levels just start to naturally decrease . Because you get all the energy you need. Which is a lot more than what you get from eating.

The theory suggests that hunger arises because of solar energy lack. All the food basically have the sun's energy. If there was no sunlight, nothing could exist. By getting direct solar rays (during the safe hours) , you get everything you could ever get from food, without any of the toxins of course. This leads to an amazing detoxification of the entire brain&body. Which leads of course to a very high awareness, including a perfect , well balanced, mental, emotional and physical conditions.

After the 9 months have been completed, or alternatively when you have reached the 44 minutes mark, you should avoid sun gazing all together, for sake of the eye.
You are already a solar creature.
The only thing left for you to do is to walk barefoot on soil for about 45 minutes a day for a week or so and that's it. You can keep doing the barefoot walking if you want, it is helpful for your functionality .

for more information:

Sun Gazing

Enjoy smile


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PostPosted: Thu 21 May, 2009  Reply with quote

so how did it work for you, how long have you been doing it ?

i put it on a huge break, and i discern that it is the sunrise which needs to be watched for it is constantly rasiing in amplitude of spirit and purity and clean

the best site i ever saw on this was sunlight.as.ro

does anyone know where it went ?


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Hi Everyone at Id4all,

This is my first post and I know the time frames are scattered on this topic but I wanted to post my own experience to help others understand and hear first hand from someone who is following the HRM method of sungazing.

I am now up to 37 minutes a day and loving what it is doing for me. I have severe fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue along with PTSD, major depression, and atrial fibrillation. I started sungazing because of my health problems as it stated that it could heal everything. I wanted to be able to live without food as I have multiple chemical and food sensitivities which kept me on anti-histamines daily for 8 years straight.

I was recently diagnosed with atrial fibrillation, a heart problem, when I became very breathless and it increased my fatigue, which I hadn't thought was possible. My blood felt like it was thickening up and clotting and I just couldn't get enough air. Numerous tests were done and the AF was found. When I began sungazing, it started going away, probably due to the electrons in the earth that travel up through the K1 meridian and dissolve inflammation in the body, thinning the blood and dilating the blood vessels. This happens as you earth/ground with bare feet on the earth while you sungaze.

I found sungazing difficult at first because I was super light sensitive and couldn't even leave the house without sunglasses. Now I never wear them at all and I have no light sensitivities.

I go through periods where I love the sunrise and then I change and I love the sunsets. I have had periods where I sungazed twice, morning and evening and at times I have jumped forward a few minutes. HRM says to do whatever you feel comfortable with and these things have suited me.

I had noticed a few weeks ago that my meals were becoming smaller and I no longer snacked between meals. I cut breakfast as a way of intermittent fasting because I felt like I was just eating too much food and feeling bloated all the time. I still look forward to lunch but by dinner I'm not hungry at all. I eat a small dinner to carry me over to lunch the next day and I rarely snack after dinner at all. I'm loving it and I've lost the extra weight I'd acquired from the fibro and fatigue that has plagued me for the past four and half years. I'm having dental work done and working on repairing a cracked tooth so I've had to cut all meat and eat just soft foods. I can't believe how easy this has been. I'm not even missing meat at all. I had to blend up some veges, because I did miss them, but its so cool not to need food. I feel so much more in control.

As for my fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. This was the best winter I've had in 3 years. I also added large doses (8000mgs) of fish oil to my intake which helped to keep most of the inflammation down over winter, along with the earthing/sungazing which I'm assuming thinned my blood and dissolved the inflammation. I have still had trouble with the fatigue, mainly due to EMF's (electromagnetic frequencies), but yesterday was able to do more than I have in years at one time. I expected to wake up today in agony because I'd done too much but I am recovering faster now and my energy levels are good today. Just to elaborate a little more on EMF's, they produce positive ions which are low vibrational fequencies that have the capacity to disrupt our bio-electrical fields. To cancel the overload of positive ions, you need to add negative ions. These are abundant around running/moving water such as rivers or the ocean, especially as the salt water in the ocean acts as a conductor. The earth is also abundant in negative ions which is what goes up through the feet and cancels out the effects of the positive ions which most disease thrives on.

Although I still feel socially disengaged most of the time, I have suffered no depression at all. Because the inflammation has decreased in my body, my panic attacks have also decreased making my PTSD much easier to cope with.

This has been my experience with sungazing so far and I am constantly becoming aware of more and more benefits. I would highly encourage everyone to do it, there's nothing else that even compares, and from someone whose tried diligently cure after cure after cure, I can attest that sungazing is a God-send. grin


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

It seems that I bring nothing but cloudy skies to topics like these (pun intended).

*sigh*

I really hate to be a downer, but I would just like to re-iterate what I wrote about this stuff a few years ago (which everyone can read in this very thread). I'll try to be a little more tactful though.

Staring at the sun is not a good idea. Even at one hundred and fifty million kilometers away (that's a long way away), there is enough of the sun's energy to heat the Earth's surface, drive our weather systems, fry an egg on a hot sidewalk, and yes, seriously damage your vision and your skin. People throw around terms like "safe zones" or "safe times" ...I'm not convinced about this, and I think it's risky to go off staring at the sun, even at sunset or sunrise. It puts our vision at serious risk of being damaged. Anyone who knows anything about vision, or astronomy, will tell you it's just not a good idea to stare at the sun, anytime.

I'd also like to point something out. I'm not sure if anyone has considered this, but here goes. There are rules on this forum against discussing drugs and lucid dreaming. For instance if anyone were to go off and do a bunch of dangerous drugs because they read about it here, that would be awful! I imagine that all of us in this community would feel pretty terrible about that. Shouldn't the same thing apply to staring at the sun? Now I'm not saying, "We shouldn't allow talking about sun-staring," but people need to be very aware that there is a serious risk in doing this sort of thing if we're going to talk about it. That's why I've been such a hardcase about this in the past, and it's why I still seem like such a downer sometimes when topics like this come up. So, I might seem like a nasty materialist at times, but it's because I care.

So to everyone that's interested in this sort of thing, please be careful if you decide you want to try it.

On a lighter note (no pun intended), to those who claim to have experienced some of the benefits of sun gazing, I issue the following friendly challenge: if you haven't already, read a little bit about the sun, or how vision works, or about the health of the eye. Not just from new-age or alternative medicine type sources, but other books. You can find a lot of information on wikipedia, in fact. Make sure that if you are going to do this you understand the risks and you make an objective decision. Now, I'm a skeptic...I don't believe in alternative medicine and I wouldn't be caught dead staring at the sun unless it was from behind one of these. But people are going to do it, so the best I can do is encourage people to think carefully about this sort of thing. And who knows, you might decide that there are less risky things to do that are still good for you, such as eating less processed foods or making sure you get enough exercise. You can still go outside for a picnic or an invigorating jog and enjoy the warmth and light of the sun...just don't stare at it. And remember to wear proper protection, like sunscreen and sunglasses. Not only do they protect your eyes, they make you look really cool siiw


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Hi Shaper,

Wow you are the cloudy sky aren't you. Nice to meet you anyway. I'm afraid I might rain on your parade but I hope I don't offend you, its not my intention.

I know there is no science to sungazing that can validate its efficacy but the results really do speak for themselves, which is testimonial enough for me to do what I do. You have a right to your opinion, and fear, of the sun and I respect that, as we all have the right to free choice and thinking.

Safe times are validated by UV index measurement however, and it is proven that the decreased UV rays at the hour within sunrise/sunset do not damage the eyes.

I understand your concerns for others about the promotion of safe sungazing, but I don't think something as natural as staring at the source that keeps you alive and healthy, could be contrasted in the same picture as "dangerous drugs."
However, you are correct in that it must be done safely and carefully.

If your reasons for being such a hardcase on sungazing are sincere, I do have to wonder why it would seem that you haven't researched data yourself on the sun? I am an avid researcher and spend quite a number of hours a day sifting through scientific research data on natural health and recently on sungazing. I've read as much information as I can get my hands on about the sun and actually just finished reading a book on high doses of vitamin D (which we get naturally from the sun) and how it is curing cancers, Diabetes, and Multiple Schlerosis. Curing? Yes apparently so according to the scientific research in the book. I am very open minded and don't like to put limitations on my beliefs as I know we are capable of much more than we currently recognize.

You don't believe in alternative medicine? Are you aware of the dangers of taking prescription medications? They are now listed as the number one cause of accidental death in the world. Each chemically composed tablet contains within it a symptomatic relief and the cause for another complaint. There are dangers hidden within the very scent of mainstream medications that you should probably become more aware of if you intend to use these as method of healing.
I have seen alternative medicine provide more healing and relief than I could ever hope to attribute to convential treatments, but each to their own. I wish you well.

I very rarely eat processed foods and I exercise daily and walk most days too. Its much harder to get your health back once you've lost it and I believe the only way to accomplish this is by using unconventional treatments, such as sungazing/earthing/grounding. The effects I'm noticing so far, are verifying that for me.

There are so many benefits we can gain from the sun, when we utilize it in a balanced way. Slapping sunscreens on as soon as we go outside, not only prevents vitamin D from being produced by the skin, but the chemical agents in the sunscreen, react with the heat and produce dangerous carcinogenics that are absorbed into the body and which themselves have been shown to cause melanoma and the accumluation of dangerous toxins in the liver. Sunglasses also stop the beneficial light wave frequencies that prevent depression, SAD, and anxiety. So as you can see, we need to be cautious of much more than avoiding and hiding from the sun. There is so much evidence now to suggest that we should actually spend time in the sun without protection, especially now that the suns production of vitamin D (which is now becoming recognized as a superhormone that directly impacts the immune system) has been scientifically proven to cure 17 different types of cancer.
After sun exposure to acquire vitamin D, there are safe sunscreens on the market. One is Zinc Oxide. Another way to avoid burning in the sun is to take sufficient doses of fish oil and to eat vegetables high in betacartene. These help your body to tan rather than burn. At rivers and pools, organic cocunut oil is fantastic for attaining a tan without burning. It still blocks UV rays and vitamin D so its best to use after at least 20 minutes of mid day sun without protection. Its wise not to use coconut oil at the beach as the porus salt in the air prevents it from doing its job efficiently.

If you'd like to research some information on the benefits of the sun, here's some links you might find some interesting stuff on:
http://search.mercola.com/search/pages/Results.aspx?k =benefits of the sun
http://undergroundhealthreporter.com/color-light-ther apy#axzz2A5iYHHff
http://hsionline.com/search
http://discoveryhealthpublishing.com/is-sunscreen-saf e/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/20 11/04/22/new-study-sho ws-many-sunscreens-are-accelerating-not-preventing-ca ncer.aspx

I'll finish with this statement. We are natural beings, that thrive on natural elements and our innate healing potential is capable of healing everything when we remove obstruction and allow it to do its job. The methods we choose to use to remove obstruction, is where our God given choice lies.
Be well. smile


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Shakanah wrote:
I know there is no science to sungazing that can validate its efficacy but the results really do speak for themselves, which is testimonial enough for me to do what I do. You have a right to your opinion, and fear, of the sun and I respect that, as we all have the right to free choice and thinking.

The problem with 'results' like those you refer to is that they are unreliable, insufficiently tested and anecdotal. There is the well-known placebo effect for a start. Not to mention people might cite it as a reason for feeling more energetic when they at the same time as starting it, took up walking / working out, for example.

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Safe times are validated by UV index measurement however, and it is proven that the decreased UV rays at the hour within sunrise/sunset do not damage the eyes.


Proven by whom? What research did they do? I don't want to come across as that annoying guy who pins people to the details, but you are making a scientific claim here, without citing your source.

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I understand your concerns for others about the promotion of safe sungazing, but I don't think something as natural as staring at the source that keeps you alive and healthy, could be contrasted in the same picture as "dangerous drugs."
However, you are correct in that it must be done safely and carefully.


Horse manure is used to fertilize the plants we eat, it therefore helps keep us healthy and alive. I don't think that means eating or staring at it will produce any form of benefit. Just being natural doesn't mean it's a good idea to stare at it, or consume it.

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If your reasons for being such a hardcase on sungazing are sincere, I do have to wonder why it would seem that you haven't researched data yourself on the sun? I am an avid researcher and spend quite a number of hours a day sifting through scientific research data on natural health and recently on sungazing.


Research is a fickle thing, it's not all that is needed to understand something. There is a lot of false data, misinterpreted graphs and faulty reasoning out there. To the layman that sort of thing is not obvious and there can be very convincing arguments made, that are entirely without merit. For example there was a politician who tried to have water banned, because there was a site made as a joke using a scientific handle for it.

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I've read as much information as I can get my hands on about the sun and actually just finished reading a book on high doses of vitamin D (which we get naturally from the sun) and how it is curing cancers, Diabetes, and Multiple Schlerosis. Curing? Yes apparently so according to the scientific research in the book. I am very open minded and don't like to put limitations on my beliefs as I know we are capable of much more than we currently recognize.


There seems to be a constant background chatter about supposed cures for terminal illnesses. I'm a little sceptical at this point and certainly wouldn't jump into taking supplements, altering my behaviour or citing it as a reason to stare at the sun.

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You don't believe in alternative medicine? Are you aware of the dangers of taking prescription medications? They are now listed as the number one cause of accidental death in the world. Each chemically composed tablet contains within it a symptomatic relief and the cause for another complaint. There are dangers hidden within the very scent of mainstream medications that you should probably become more aware of if you intend to use these as method of healing.


It's prudent to be sceptical of alternative medication. Some of them may have some basis in reality, others might be placebo. The thing about it is, you don't have to be qualified to make claims about 'alternative medicine.' to prescribe traditional medications, you have to study the human body for many years. As well as be registered, approved and reviewed by a medical council.

There is a reason that when somebody gets seriously injured they go to a hospital and not an alternative medicine clinic. I'm not trying to run alternative medicine down, but it simply isn't in the same league as traditional medicine and healing techniques. There shouldn't really be a question of how much faith you have in traditional medicine. To deny that traditional medicine has proven itself or try to undermine it suggesting 'alternative' medicine as a more proven alternative is simply dishonest. Traditional medicine is not perfect, nothing is, hence why there are many thousands of people focused on improving it, like with all scientific fields.

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I have seen alternative medicine provide more healing and relief than I could ever hope to attribute to convential treatments, but each to their own. I wish you well.


This is anecdotal evidence. We have anecdotal evidence which conflicts with itself in other areas, it's good to be sceptical of anything anecdotal and understandable to refuse to accept it at all.

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I very rarely eat processed foods and I exercise daily and walk most days too. Its much harder to get your health back once you've lost it and I believe the only way to accomplish this is by using unconventional treatments, such as sungazing/earthing/grounding. The effects I'm noticing so far, are verifying that for me.


Many wise people have said, "what you expect, you shall receive." If you pursue alternative medicines, you need to be constantly mindful of that. With sun-gazing it's a hard fact that the amount of light coming through your pupil, and being focused on to the retina at the back of your eye is extremely high. Where the threshold is for causing damage is uncertain. If you do it at midday, you can expect to be blinded. If you want to risk it at sunset, that's your prerogative. As somebody who has used a magnifying glass to start a fire in the past, I know how powerful the sun is. I don't like the idea of effectively doing that with my retina, I watched the paper burn, I don't want to feel my retina do the same. Once you've done it, you can't undo it.

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There are so many benefits we can gain from the sun, when we utilize it in a balanced way. Slapping sunscreens on as soon as we go outside, not only prevents vitamin D from being produced by the skin, but the chemical agents in the sunscreen, react with the heat and produce dangerous carcinogenics that are absorbed into the body and which themselves have been shown to cause melanoma and the accumluation of dangerous toxins in the liver.


Let's not ignore that humans evolved for a certain climate. There is a very good reason that some people have very dark skin. If you go abroad, you are already not in your natural habitat and must take that into account. The level of UV is much higher than your body is equipped to deal with and wearing sunscreen is the sensible thing to do. Don't forget we also used to have poor hygiene, dirt forms a pretty complete sunblock. There are many things we have to consider, our current way of living is not in alignment with what we experienced during our evolution. We shouldn't quest to live how we used to in the dark ages or before, that way of living left us with a life expectancy of around 30 years or less... You again also cite no credible research for your scientific claim, so for me it stays the opinion of another person on the internet catagory for now.

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Sunglasses also stop the beneficial light wave frequencies that prevent depression, SAD, and anxiety. So as you can see, we need to be cautious of much more than avoiding and hiding from the sun.


Light wave frequencies? Is this still scientific, or are you speaking metaphysically now?

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There is so much evidence now to suggest that we should actually spend time in the sun without protection, especially now that the suns production of vitamin D (which is now becoming recognized as a superhormone that directly impacts the immune system) has been scientifically proven to cure 17 different types of cancer.


Just a quick read of the wikipedia article on Vitamin D is enough to show that what you are putting forwards as a growing consensus, is at best on shaky ground. Let alone being a scientifically proven cure for 17 types of cancer.

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I'll finish with this statement. We are natural beings, that thrive on natural elements and our innate healing potential is capable of healing everything when we remove obstruction and allow it to do its job. The methods we choose to use to remove obstruction, is where our God given choice lies.


To be honest what you say seems self-defeating, we are natural beings I agree. Therefore what tools we create, derived from the natural world around us are inherently natural as well.



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