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kalyan
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how is this a new technique?
PostPosted: Wed 06 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

I dont understand how this can be called as a new method and a fancy name like ssild. it is same as wbtb combined with wild. the basic principle is that after you wake up a few hours after sleep, mind is more conducive to lucid dreaming and then staying aware for a while carries this awareness into sleep and induces lucid dreams. the same effect can be had by meditating in the middle of your sleep, or whatever activity that maintains your awareness just before you drift off to sleep. this same principle can be individualised to see how it works for oneself. two components are very important.
1. waking up after a few hours of sleep
2.maintaining awareness before going to sleep.
naming each variation of the above technique and giving it a special fancy name only adds to confusion for beginners.
there are no shortcuts or miraculous methods for lucid dreaming. regular reality checks, meditation, maintaining awareness before sleep should be practised.


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

I actually never awoke and did the cycles instead my mind did the cycles when I went to sleep causing to have two FA's and I got my first lucid dream :D woo grin


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

Nice Innerwolf! It sounds like we may both be somewhat new to this. How did you get your other LD?
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Should I continue to do constant Reality Checks in the daytime to remember to do RC in SSILD dreams? or SSILD give that awareness naturally?

My understanding is to not mix methods during bedtime only, so it should be fine and beneficial to do RCs during the day. I have seen Cosmic.Iron recommend RCs to know if you might be in a false awakening, and that takes making it a habit to verify dream in an FA or LD.
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I dont understand how this can be called as a new method and a fancy name like ssild. it is same as wbtb combined with wild.

Yes, can be a type of WILD but is a specific technique that is supposed to be easy for beginners and has brought me 2 LDs out of 7 attempts as a beginner (first LD attempts since childhood). Still trying to actively pursue consistent LDs without any downsides.

For me, not the method, but the success and anticipation is affecting my being able to go back to sleep (I normally have no trouble. I wake up once nightly on average to go to the bathroom). At first I thought it was the SSILD method but found same trouble without doing the cycles/method if I am thinking much about LDs when trying to go back to sleep. In case it helps anyone with the same issue or also if anyone has suggestions for WBTB insomnia which must be a form of "middle of the night insomnia", "maintenance insomnia" among other names I will list what I am trying to get around this issue.

-Avoid thoughts of LD including using methods during nights before work days or needing to get up early with energy.
-If I cheat and do it during work week, don't do it 2 nights in a row (2nd night of insomnia=great exhaustion, 1 night of 45-90minutes of insomnia = not bad exhaustion next day)
-avoid night light when I get up to go to bathroom, and I stay up very little (no trouble staying alert to do cycles, though some drifting)
-close the drapes to keep the early morning light from creeping in eventually
-put in ear plugs after waking to reduce various real life noises - though I may need better ear plugs
-tried adding thinking about area 2 inches above roof of mouth to induce sleepiness -read somewhere..not sure if it or a combination of methods may have helped reduce the insomnia time to 45minutes last night and brought on SP and vibrations..didn't transition to LD this time but fell asleep shortly after.



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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

Tried during a nap after work (too late in the day? was 4:45pm or so)

After doing cycles and not going to sleep I tried the following for the first time in addition to retrying some of the above methods mentioned.

-one less blanket to stay cooler (though weather was nice)
-nasal spray to reduce nasal drainage, increase comfort
-thought about the "mini-dreams" that were drifting into my head and trying to figure out the origin - odd thoughts much like regular dreams - seemed different from daydreams which seem to have more logic but want to research further. One involved a female with a very specific unique face that I don't remember seeing anywhere-perhaps from my dreams.
-finally what seemed most effective and tried last (all of these were after cycles and while trying to go to sleep) - android app named "binaural beats therapy" using the sleep induction setting.

I feel fairly sure I would have slept, but too much family noise in the house after I started. Even though I believe I never slept(only did one RC=awake), I eventually got up after 1.25 hours very upbeat and refreshed, at least for a few hours. I attribute the refreshed feeling to having relaxed and rested and the binaural beats, but I am unsure.



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PostPosted: Sat 09 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

Hi cosmic.iron, thank you for posting this! I have a question: on the last step, when you say quickly fall asleep, does that mean stop doing the cycles and just fall asleep?

I tried this last night, however I became too awake so couldn't really relax enough to go back to sleep while doing this technique. I'll try this again tonight.

I never realized how effective WBTB is. I remember waking up in the middle of a dream, just literally one moment being in the dream, and the next moment I was in my bed. kinda felt like i was in that dreamy state when i woke up, which i don't get normally.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

This is the moste powerfull technique i have ever seen. woo

I had for now a 100 % rate for now !!!!
I had ld's, and even wilds and so on. Incredible, it's the only technique that i can use wich can make me ld easly and 100%

Thanks a bunch, now i can LD at will !!



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Aaron Canty
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

Hmm this sounds like a nice technique. Thank you :D

EDIT: Reading other posts here, I'm slightly concerned about the number of FAs and supposed loss of sleep. Having said that, I've got a lot of time for sleep this week and will be trying this!

Thanks. It seems like a very nice, straight forward technique. Excited isn't the word I'm feeling right now! siiw



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PostPosted: Mon 18 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

Hey Cosmic.iron,

I hv been having wonderful results in a week of using this technique. I have two questions for u.

1) I usually dont sleep quickly as i finish doing the technique. Can i momentarily open the eyes after doing the technique before falling asleep naturally?

2) Could u pls elaborate more on third component, the somesthic senses?

Thank you.


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

Taking SSILD outside lucid dreaming, I've incorporated SSILD into my meditation practice. SSILD is actually somewhat similar to classic meditation techniques, especially some forms of Vipassana (insight) meditation. Has anyone considered this or used SSILD as a daytime meditation practice?

aac


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

I did consider using SSILD as a meditation method. However, since I don't meditate regularly, I haven't actually tried it.

My only problem with SSILD after WBTB is that I fall asleep much too quickly! I will have to find a way to make myself more uncomfortable...


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PostPosted: Thu 21 Mar, 2013  Reply with quote

lucky1990 wrote:
Hey Cosmic.iron,

I hv been having wonderful results in a week of using this technique. I have two questions for u.

1) I usually dont sleep quickly as i finish doing the technique. Can i momentarily open the eyes after doing the technique before falling asleep naturally?

2) Could u pls elaborate more on third component, the somesthic senses?
Yes you can open your eyes after the cycles. Just don't keep them open for too long. smile What would you like to know about the 3rd component? It's really very simple -- just direct your focus/attention to your body, that's all. It can be certain part of your body or the whole, doesn't really matter. You can in fact think in terms of focusing on different axis -- Visual --z-axis; Hearing -- x-axis; Body -- y-axis. Let your attention glide through these axis and you will be fine.
Thank you.

Yes you can open your eyes after the cycles. Just don't keep them open for too long. smile What would you like to know about the 3rd component? It's really very simple -- just direct your focus/attention to your body, that's all. It can be certain part of your body or the whole, doesn't really matter. You can in fact think in terms of focusing on different axis -- Visual --z-axis; Hearing -- x-axis; Body -- y-axis. Let your attention glide through these axis and you will be fine.


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jul, 2013  Reply with quote

I tried this technique last night. As I was doing the cycles I randomly went into SP. I thought, "Oh, I'm in SP, I guess I'll just WILD from here." As I am waiting to enter a dream, the SP sensation changes. I start to feel growing pressure all over my body. It becomes increasingly painful until I feel like I'm being crushed by a stramroller. I try to bear it but eventually I can't take it any more and I break the paralysis and sit up overspannen . The pain immediately disappears, of course. I will try again tonight.


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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jul, 2013  Reply with quote

tony-nacho wrote:
I tried this technique last night. As I was doing the cycles I randomly went into SP. I thought, "Oh, I'm in SP, I guess I'll just WILD from here." As I am waiting to enter a dream, the SP sensation changes. I start to feel growing pressure all over my body. It becomes increasingly painful until I feel like I'm being crushed by a stramroller. I try to bear it but eventually I can't take it any more and I break the paralysis and sit up overspannen . The pain immediately disappears, of course. I will try again tonight.

It appears that you might have tried too hard. SSILD uses a very "lazy" approach and you should stick to that in order to achieve optimal results. Do not focus too much on the sensations, and do NOT try to stay completely still. When you try to stay still, you often become tense and that will keep you from falling into sleep. It also tends to cause SPs and various weird sensations, many of which are extremely uncomfortable.


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jul, 2013  Reply with quote

Man, it's been a while since I've last lucid dreamed, mainly because of irregular sleeping patterns (damn you school). I've just found motivation to start LDing again and it seems that I've found the perfect technique to start with.

I'll try it whenever I wake up, hopefully tonight
Will report success(If any) wink


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PostPosted: Thu 01 Aug, 2013  Reply with quote

Nice, it did the job. I didn't really do the exact steps, rather, I remembered to do it just before I fell asleep, I was already in SP at that point so there was no point in doing the steps tounge2.

So a very summarised version of what I did in the LD:
I was on a small floating snow island in space where I learned 'Super Sight'. Then I woke up, decided to do an RC and realised I was still dreaming. Drank lucidity pills and tried to extend dream time. Summoned a door from the ground and made it change shapes. Got carried away and woke up.

I'm still not fully used to SP, I don't think I will lol anx

For those interested, here is the full dream:
Click here to see the hidden message (It might contain spoilers)


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