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honeyjigga
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

okay then fair enough, i think it's still amazing.
pictures would do fine, Keep up the good work.


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

well a little off topic but have you tried these yet?

are they increasing your ability to have LDs?

i worry that i would roll around at night and the wires/glasses would fall off.


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

AH! Yes, that's exactly what happens smile I only tried them one night though, so i can't say anything much about that.

You could add an elastic to them, or mount the whole thing on a sleeping mask and see how that goes. They work perfectly as a light machine so far (and have been effective with the sleep induction, which may help with WILD, but i didn't have time to try that out). I'll keep toying with them for the next week (i have a break)... so we'll see how they go...

That's why it would be fun if people would test these out, considering the ammount of time it takes to make them.

Also, I'm starting work on the new GSR device i mentioned earlier (i just bought mostly everything i need and then some). I just ordered the missing parts from Texas Instruments and in a few weeks from now I think the unit will be ready for software testing... I'll post a diagram of the objective soon, so that people can follow up if they want.

Get this: GSR REM detection (live computer monitoring) ---> Light or Vibration signaling (or possibly both or maybe even sound) + Software programmable 3 led/eye Light Machine for about 20$... (downpart = wire hanging from your face)

Then you wonder why wellness tools would charge 1000$ for the same thing. Sure, most $$$ from the Nova Dreamer went to the research, but wellness tools has no excuse.


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

i used these again last night and i'm getting real close i think. I had a dream ABOUT lucid dreaming, we were a whole bunch of people talking about lucid dreaming and masks you can use to induce them and stuff like that.

What happens is that i fall asleep as lot easier without the mask on than WITH the goggles on. I woke up at 5 this morning and i was REALLY tired... it took me 15 min nonetheless to fall back asleep after setting the mask and putting it on, and by that time the LEDS went off and woke me back up (i was JUST about to fall asleep).

So i'll try setting the timer to 30 minutes this time (rather than 15, which was a bit too fast) and see how that goes.

(and here is the diagram for the new device: http://hybrid.concordia.ca/~victord/design.bmp - If anyone has any ideas or sees anything wrong with it please let us know. It uses 2AAA batteries)


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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

so this latest one is supposed to be stand-alone, not needing a connection to the coputer? or what?

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

eventually it might be. For now we're using the computer to gather data because we don't know exactly how accurate GSR will be. Most chips don't have much flash memory and the ones that do are more expensive and need fancy programmers. We'll make it computer operated for the time being and if there is a need for stand alone we'll figure something out... Though under best circumstances we'd like a wireless connection to the computer... Having a device software operated offers much more flexibility and less hardware, so yeah, we'd like to keep the computer in and maybe eventually go wireless (blue tooth is not a very expensive option, it can be implemented for some 60$ and it's probably going to go down, as many computers nowadays come with a blue tooth port (the new apple notebooks for instance))

for now, we'll be using wires.


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

this gsr unit, when it is released will you release the plans for us to build them or will we have to pay for this and how much will it cost?

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

we'll release the final plans (what we have so far is actually already out http://hybrid.concordia.ca/~victord/design.bmp ) and the software will be open source and nothing will be charged.

right now you can build it, but there's no software to operate it. and i got some help so i've made a few changes to the plans since i couldn't find some of the parts around here, but that's no big deal, both designs work the same.

there are some issues with LPT communication under win XP so we're considering scraping the LPT altogether and going for a serial, or both. I'm hoping with this new driver i found we'll be able to use the LPT.


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

I don't know much about all this, but do you think it would be possible to use very light electric shocks as signals. It could potentially keep everything very compact.

I was thinking about it as an alarm to wake me up when I tried polyphasic sleeping. It'ld be a good alarm because no-one would be able to hear it.

btw, How exactly do the goggles work? Can you see when you are asleep?

Thanks


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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

Inchworm wrote:
I don't know much about all this, but do you think it would be possible to use very light electric shocks as signals. It could potentially keep everything very compact.

I was thinking about it as an alarm to wake me up when I tried polyphasic sleeping. It'ld be a good alarm because no-one would be able to hear it.

btw, How exactly do the goggles work? Can you see when you are asleep?

Thanks


electric shocks could very well work to signal lucid dreaming, the problem is the voltage that you feel an electric shock is quite high (for instance if you touch the ends of a 9V battery you won't feel anything much, so you need more than 9v on the skin)... This means the device wouldn't be powered by batteries anymore, so instead of reducing the size it actually adds to it... You'd probably have to plug it in the wall with an adapter and I wouldn't trust anything home made that uses wall power, i'd be really scared of getting shocked and killed.

vibrations though are just a small motor that you offcenter... when it spins, it vibrates. You only need to attach it to the batteries and that's about it. Leds as well, you just shove in a resistor, attach them to the battery and that's it. so it doesn't take that much space to begin with.

and do you mean the new goggles we're working on how do they work or the ones i posted at the beginning of the thread?

the ones at the beginning of the thread just flash lights constantly at different hz for a light machine, or, if you use my qbasic program, when you tell it to. there's nothing big there, though i read in some parts you should attach resistors to each of the LEDs to reduce strain of the LPT port... i'm using them with a computer i picked from a trash can, so i don't care much about that and it seems the "strain" is not much, but a bit more research would be good.

the other ones i mentioned, the GSR ones have REM detection and will (hopefully) work in the following way:
there will be a small box attached to your printer port containing the device. coming out of it will be a wire, splitting in two at the goggled. One will stay there and power the 6 LEDS for a light machine/rem signaling... the other will go to your shoulder or maybe even lower to your finger (along the arm so you won't be bugged by it) and have a small probe (two wires stuck to your finger basically).
These two wires will measure conductivity in your skin, which drops during rem. When the drop is noticed, the computer signals the goggles and voila, REM detection. it will be a bit more complicated than that, in that the computer software will probably have a light machine with biofeedback (GSR) incorporated, so the software part can expand a lot.


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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

You can use the back voltage from an inductor. Connect a 1.5volt battery to an inductor and it builds up an emf cut the power supply rapidly and you get yourself a very high voltage that is able to supply a high current over a very small time. That's how I think it works.

Inchworm wrote:
btw, How exactly do the goggles work? Can you see when you are asleep?


I think I've got how the computer side works. I'm more interested in how the brain side works. What do you see when you are asleep and the goggles turn on?


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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

yeah, i guess you could build up current, even with a capacitor/transistor based circuit like the ones in solar engines... it's worth a try, but i don't think i'd appreciate small electric shocks when sleeping... there also might be potential health risks involved.

as for the brain side, i don't know what to tell you... for the light machine you close your eyes and it looks the way it does when you're lying on your back under a tree and the sun shines through the leaves and they move around... after a while you start seeing geometric shapes or patterns appear and after that i fall asleep. i haven't tried higher frequencies yet, and i haven't tried visualization sets either...

as for the dreams part, the only time i remember seeing the clue in a dream was a few nights ago when i had a dream about talking with my cousin over a webcam. at one point it all went red and the screen flickered... i didn't think about the mask though so i didn't become lucid... i guess it depends on what you're dreaming about or how your subconscious interprets the signal.


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

This is very interesting. I would be interested in the serial port version if the LPT really is that incompatible with XP. If I were to create a boot disk, boot to MS-DOS, and run the QBasic program from there, would that fix the problem? I am a QB programmer myself, but as soon as I got XP, I figured QB might not have a practical application anymore. Well, I was wrong! siiw I think I will build a pair of these and experiment with them myself. meditate

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

yeah, i never tried them under win XP... the boot disk idea would probably work well... Win XP is a nasty little bugger.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

These people have made a DLL though which you can access the parallel port in Windows XP using visual basic 6.

http://www.logix4u.net/inpout32.htm

I think it's the same one I used in 98.


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