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Alvin
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The BIG sleep paralysis and old hag topic Part II
PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

<mod> This is a split topic CLICK HERE for Part I <mod>

Call me crazy but I really want to get an old hag experience. I've never had an SP in my life, much less and old hag and I am really curious as how it feels.

I might not like it but I really want to know the feeling of getting one. Especially the fear part.

I'd try WILD but I never get to sleep if I do that. I have no idea how you guys do it


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

This topic flipped me out, I had no idea "the hag" was so common. I have a nice story about her.

A few years ago, before I was having LDs, I woke in what I know now to be SP. I was heavily studying a spiritual course at the time. I thought I was in some sort of mystical place ( so much for the big breakthrough I thought I had) and the Hag was behind me (i sleep on my stomach)she touched the base of my spine and sent a very hot blast of energy through all my chakras and out the top of my head. At the time I thought it was a really special occurance. Thanks for bursting my bubble guys!

Anyway, she isn't always scary...


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Wilivy wrote:
Anyway, she isn't always scary...


Quite right. Your emotions will play a huge role as to what sort of hallucinations will be overlayed on your vision. I've come to enjoy SP and am completely, completely relaxed when it kicks in (maybe cos I wait patiently for it to come over me wink5 ) and am starting to have WILDs from it. Even if I don't dream from it, I still lie there and try to let it last as long as possible. Just try to remain calm, it's a natural part of sleep (though being aware during it isn't supposed to happen).


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Skidzz wrote:
(though being aware during it isn't supposed to happen).

How do you know? Did someone write that down somewhere 2000 years ago or so? tounge2... Perhaps mankind is destined to be lucid smile


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Okay, I just read about SP on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis), and now I'm beginning to wonder if LDing is worth going through that. I mean "Impending sense of doom/death"!?! That's sounds real scary! There aren't many positive things listed there.

Maybe I'll just go for MILD?..


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Covah wrote:
Okay, I just read about SP on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis), and now I'm beginning to wonder if LDing is worth going through that. I mean "Impending sense of doom/death"!?! That's sounds real scary! There aren't many positive things listed there.

Maybe I'll just go for MILD?..

Dont let yourself be set back by that. Its the same as someone warning about walking 20 miles "at the end you might get VERRRY hungry and some people even get blisters sometimes"... I mean, it's not really that bad. Besides that, what happens is largely based upon your expectations, so expect it to be cool and it will be. Remember that nothing really bad could ever happen and you will be all right, even if the hag appears. Just turn her into a hot blonde (or brown...).


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Amen, Xetrov. I hope I get SP every night, and usually I do!! It's been said that WILD is the holy grail of lucid dreaming, and if you get a high level WILD, it indeed is! I use SP as my launchpad for WILD and the dreams that follow are insanely real! Besides, the sounds and sensations are awesome when you're paralyzed! You're totally missing out if you've never experienced them!

Try for SP. Like Xetrov said, what happens is based on your expectations, or what I like to say it that your emotions affect the overlayed hallucinations. Or, you could just shut your eyes but make sure you keep concious and within seconds to a minute you'll be in a dream. One moment you're in bed buzzing and a split second later you'll probably be out of your bed standing in your room.

Have fun. smile


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

I've had SP once, ever, it wasn't actually that frightening - wasn't a witch either, it was a man in a long black robe, which put his face in shadow so I couldn't see it.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

tequila slammer wrote:


Normally I get a whizzing, buzzing, metallic stretching sound (the sound-enineers among you would recognise it as a flanger). I assume it's the brain turning off unneeded audio processing functions wink5

As soon as I heard it I knew I was experiencing SP. I was a little annoyed because I knew that I usually wake up from SP experiences quite sharply, and I needed the sleep.




That's exactly what happens to me. When I used to be afraid of it, I would quickly sit up everytime I heard it. But yeah, the best LD's I've had have come from SP. Here's the sequence of what I do before I get one, if anyone is intrested (most of the time I'm not trying though):
1) Get to bed about six hours after you usually do. Every single time I've gotten it, I remember being on the computer working on something 'till about 6 am.
2) Not all but about 50% of the time I get it, I'm sleeping somewhere other than the bed. Sometimes on the couch, or in the car, maybe even on the floor.
3) Everytime I've gotten SP I've slept on my back.


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Hello,

now that I've read this topic I started to be scared about Lucid Dreaming and most of all sleeping on my back. I know it is just my mind making images but I am 100% I would terrified to hell if I would experience a evil-looking old woman SITTING ON MY CHEST, having evil intentions. No matter how unreal it is it's still scary..

I know that it can only happen when you wake up, not when I go to sleep but still I've become more scared at bedtime. Also I feel uneasy when sleeping on my back, thinking that when I wake up I could get the "Old Hag". This sucks becos I like to sleep on my back..

And also on top of that.. because I am afraid of getting the Old hag my mind will probably generate a nightmare of having her or even worse a SP with her.

You say that I should not fear it but that is easier said than done, I can't control my fears... and I am pretty sure I will get Old Hag at some moment. When that happens should I just close my eyes and relax (or try to relax) or alternatively try to face my fear and talk to her or something? I just want to get this over with..

Oh and if it helps I am at the moment just trying to recall my dreams and so far I have been very succesful in it. Altho this has made me think about dropping the whole thing. If I just hadn't read this topic I would still be sleeping happily without fearing...

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Or you just close your eyes when SP and HI kick in. Then there's nothing. U fall asleep. Or when u find urself with ur eyes open; with and old hag on ur chest, u r dreaming alrdy.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

How about getting to an LD in this state? I heard it's easy.. if someone could give me detailed instructions I would appriciate it a lot.

Thanks

Edit: Has anyone of you actually talked to the Hag? Would be some very interesting answers I think.


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Yes Da_Grunt, getting into an LD from SP is remarkably easy.

Step 1: Visualize yourself (but don't physically attempt to) rising
from bed or slipping off your bed onto the floor. I've never tried it before but feeling yourself sink into your bed also works.

Step 2: When you sense that you have completed step 1 open your eyes and do a reality check.

In my opinion this is the by far easiest way of inducing an LD.


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

usually when things are supposed to be "scarey" in hallucinations or in my dreams I'm completely like "Yeah whatever" as if it happens all the time or something. It's rather amusing.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

My brother who didnt know anything about this he told me that he lived a this kind of thing , there was that shadow figure , he told me that he felt like it will take his soul because it moved his hand slowly to him.
Im so scared from this , im not afraid to see a witch ( they remind me of cartoons ) but a shadow figure or an alien can scare me. I dont know if i can turn it to another thing , so u thing i can swear at him and beat him? but that would make him more agressive wouldnt it?
I know that i cant close my eyes either. İ really need a plan help me


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