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Gorgoneion
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How long does it take?
PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Hello to all, I'm new to this Forum but I've been reading a lot of it lately.
I'll present myself: my name's Piero and I live in Florence, Italy.
I've approached LD reading Aleandro Jodorowsky's "Psicomagia", this was more than a month ago.
Since then I've been practicing to achieve a LD.
I've started making a dream journal and I found it very easy to remember my dreams as I've been recoding all my dreams for the past 3 years, I've achieved to find many recurrent dreamsigns as I had no lack of material to work upon. I recall naturally at least 1-3 dreams per night.
What I seem not to be able to do is to recognize the dreamsigns as they come naturally in my dreams, I always end up doing so when I'm already awake such as when you wake up in the morning and you're still in between the world of dream and the real world.
I've even tried recently with the braiwave generator with no appreceable results.

Now I wonder: how long does it take to have you first LD?
I understand that the time varies for most people but I'd like to share your thoughts on this topic. help!
Thanks
grin


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The Nameless One
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Hehe...succede anche a me e non lo sopporto . Chi trova la soluzione merita un monumento. Btw, io ci sono "stato" nel tuo avatar.

Translation: it happens to me too and it ****ing sucks.


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Gorgoneion
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

So it is a common problem I see. How long ago have you started your oneironautical adventures?

Hehehe, anche io ci sono stato neanche un paio di mesi fa... molto onirico si... siiw


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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Anche basso...ho sbattuto la testa a un dente lach1.
Ho iniziato a giugno ma per ora sono a zero.
Ah, e "The Gathering" e "Playground" sono ottimi posti per conoscere meglio la gente qui...

Translation: I suck at LD's.




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Gorgoneion
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Si anche io, ho iniziato ufficialmente il 16 Giugno il mio Dream Journal, ma scrivevo accuratamente i miei sogni da 3 anni... quello che non capisco Ŕ come possa la mia capacitÓ critica abbassarsi talmente che nei miei sogni quando vedo mio padre non lo riconosco oppure so che una figura e mio padre quando Ŕ un ragazzotto qualsiasi ed io possa accettare la cosa passivamente senza chiedermi: "ehi, ma questa Ŕ proprio una bella e buona incogruenza...".

Translation: I've started my DJournal the 16th June. What I really cannot understand is how my critical capacity can get so low to accept anything the dream might include, as I dream of a boy and I suddenly know that he's my father, the thing simply is accepted as it is without any comment on my part such as: "hm... this doesn't seem right...".


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The Nameless One
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Per non parlare poi di quando corro a quattro zampe o guido una macchina! lach1

Translation: I am even more dumb than you dude.


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Gorgoneion
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Buono, allora siamo messi bene... lach2

Trans: I'm not the only one with LD achievement problems it seems...


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Artoo
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

It really depends on your motivation. When I first discovered lucid dreaming it took me several months to start WILDing because although I really wanted to LD I didn't have the motivation/courage to try the techniques. Conquering my fears took me a while

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Gorgoneion
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

How many are several months?
Two, six, eight months?


I need to plan how long I will go until I say "enough!"
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

It took me less than one month, but at this point in time, learning to lucid dream is all I have, so I'm pretty motivated.

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Gorgoneion
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Tonight I'll try the VILD technique... let's see what can be done (I'll do it in conjunction with Brainwave generator with the Deep theta 4 preset).
I'f I'm lucky this thead will be dead.
grin


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Gorgoneion
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

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Ah, e "The Gathering" e "Playground" sono ottimi posti per conoscere meglio la gente qui...


Ah si? mi consigli in particolare? Quale delle due? wink


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi Gorgoneion! Welcome to LD4all! bye
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What I seem not to be able to do is to recognize the dreamsigns as they come naturally in my dreams, I always end up doing so when I'm already awake such as when you wake up in the morning and you're still in between the world of dream and the real world.

There are 2 techniques which use dreamsigns. Reality checks and MILD.
With reality checks, you have to choose dreamsigns which can be found in dreams and in reality too. In real life, when you find a dreamsign, you perform a reality check (for instance, trying to stretch your finger and wondering if you're dreaming or not). When you'll do the same in a dream, your finger is likely to stretch so that you'll know you're dreaming.
With MILD, when you go to bed, before you fall asleep, you visualize your last dream and when you find a dreamsign, you imagine that it makes you lucid and that you do the action you planed to do in a lucid dream.
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Now I wonder: how long does it take to have you first LD?

The average time is about 3 weeks. With DILD's techniques (autosuggestion, MILD, RC's, VILD, etc.) most of the dreamers have had their 1st lucid dream before 3 months. Just have a look at the links in my sig. wink
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What I really cannot understand is how my critical capacity can get so low to accept anything the dream might include

Some parts of the brain are quite switched off during sleep and dream. For instance, you can no more recognize stupid words or silly words associations. crazy2
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I've approached LD reading Aleandro Jodorowsky's "Psicomagia", this was more than a month ago.

Does he give some tips or techniques about LD'ing? And what LD'ing techniques are you using?
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I live in Florence, Italy

I'll probably go in Tuscany next summer. We'll rent a big house with friends (most of them are painters). I'm so happy I'll see at last those beautiful landscapes and towns like Florence or Sienna! 8D


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The Nameless One
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Gorgoneion wrote:
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Ah, e "The Gathering" e "Playground" sono ottimi posti per conoscere meglio la gente qui...


Ah si? mi consigli in particolare? Quale delle due? wink

"The Gathering" Ŕ il forum ufficiale per presentarsi, il "Playground" Ŕ per giocare ma secondo me ci si conosce meglio lÓ.

Translation: go get your introduction done man.

BTW, it's Siena. wink


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

ehilÓ ragazzi allora ci sono altri italiani ^^ smile grin

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