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This is a great evil being perpetrated upon the world. I'm here today to hopefully educate you..... and enrage you.

I thought I'd just shed a bit of light on it, most people think female circumcision is evil whereas male circumcision is fine and dandy.

Most Americans anyway.

So.... here is what I've learned.

The most erogenous parts of the penis are taken away.

Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin - thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture.

There is no known method of restoring Meissner's corpuscles or other specialized sensory nerve cells. However, restoring and restored men almost universally experience tremendous increases in sensitivity, in part because the highly sensitive nerve cells in the glans are no longer buried under several layers of keratinized skin.

The frenulum is a highly erogenous V-shaped structure on the underside of the glans that tethers the foreskin. During circumcision it is frequently either amputated with the foreskin or severed, which destroys or diminishes its sexual and physiological functions.

------------ this is comparable to a male G spot that's right guys... you can find one without digging in your ***, if you're uncut that is.


The soft mucosa (inner foreskin) contains its own immunological defense system which produces plasma cells. These cells secrete immunoglobulin antibodies as well as antibacterial and antiviral proteins, including the pathogen killing enzyme lysozyme

The presence of estrogen receptors within the foreskin has only recently been discovered. Their purpose is not yet understood and needs further study.

There is no known method of restoring the foreskin's estrogen receptors.

Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery, are removed in circumcision. The loss of this rich vascularization interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development.

The terminal branch of the pudendal nerve connects to the skin of the penis, the prepuce, the corpora cavernosa, and the glans. Destruction of these nerves is a rare but devastating complication of circumcision. If cut during circumcision, the top two-thirds of the penis will be almost completely without sensation.
There is no known method of restoring dorsal nerves.



• Every year some boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infections. They are then "sexually reassigned" by castration and transgender surgery, and are expected to live their lives as females.

[Sources: 1. J. P. Gearhart and J. A. Rock, "Total Ablation of the Penis after Circumcision with Electrocautery: A Method of Management and Long-Term Followup," Journal of Urology 142 (1989):799-801. 2. M. Diamond and H. K. Sigmundson, "Sex Reassignment at Birth: Long-Term Review and Clinical Implications," Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine 151 (1997): 298-304.]


• Every year many boys in the United States and elsewhere lose their lives as a result of circumcision - a fact that is routinely ignored or obscured.

[Sources: 1. G. W. Kaplan, "Complications of Circumcision," Urologic Clinics of North America 10 (1983): 543-549. 2. R. S. Thompson, "Routine Circumcision in the Newborn: An Opposing View," Journal of Family Practice 31 (1990): 189-196.


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Postoperative Complications

Skin Bridge. Another adverse result of circumcision is the formation of a skin bridge between the penile shaft and the glans.34 Smegma often accumulates under those skin bridges. Additionally these bridges may either tether the erect penis, with resultant pain or penile curvature. The treatment of such bridges is simple surgical division. How such problems arise is not completely clear. Some investigators have suggested that injury to the glans at time of circumcision, with resultant fusion to the circumcision wound is the genesis of this problem. In my opinion there must be, in addition, incomplete separation of the inner preputial epithelium at the time of circumcision so that there is firm fusion of skin, inner preputial epithelium, and glans at one point. Later, there is spontaneous separation of the inner preputial epithelium from the glans as normally occurs in the uncircumcised penis, but because one point is fixed to the glans, a skin bridge results. If this thesis is correct, this complication could be avoided by completely freeing the inner preputial epithelium from the glans at the time of circumcision.

Infection. Infections occur after circumcision, as in any surgical procedure. The incidence of infection in one series of neonatal circumcisions was 0.4 per cent,23 while in a series of older boys it was as high as 10 per cent.21 Presumably, most of these infections are minor and of no consequence. However, major morbidity has been reported, including major skin loss,68 necrotizing fascitis,72 staphylococcal scalded skin syndrome,1 Fournier's gangrene,65 generalized sepsis,33 and meningitis.56 Some of these complications have resulted in severe permanent disability or death.12,60

Urinary retention. Urinary retention has been reported following circumcision, usually secondary to a tight circular bandage, and obviously is best treated by removal of the bandage.7,20,23,28,62 In addition, urinary retention secondary to a tight bandage presumably sets the stage for urosepsis in some of the reported cases of systemic infection following circumcision.28,47. When tincture of benzoin is used in or as a dressing for circumcision, it may occlude the urethral meatus and produce urinary retention.31 Hesitancy and dysuria are seen following circumcision in as many as 60 percent of older boys.21

Meatitis. Meatitis or meatal ulcer is a consequence of circumcision that may be considered a complication. The reported incidence of meatitis with or without ulcer varies between 8 and 31 per cent13,37,44,55 and usually occurs later in the first year of life, but while the child is still in diapers.

Meatitis and meatal ulcer are rarely, if ever, seen in the uncircumcised boy. Meatal stenosis is far more common in circumcised adult men than in uncircumcised adult men5 and is believed to result from meatitis in infancy.

Chordee. Chordee can be produced by circumcision, especially if the procedure is performed at the time of acute inflammation.31 This chordee usually is produced by a dense scar on the ventrum of the penis, and a Z-plasty often suffices for its resolution.

Cysts. Inclusion cysts in the circumcision line have been reported.31,62 These presumably are produced by the rolling in of epidermis at the time of circumcision or perhaps by the implantation of smegma in the circumcision wound. Some of these cysts may grow to rather large proportions. Even small cysts can become infected and prove a source of morbidity. The treatment is obviously surgical excision.

Lymphedema. Penile lymphedema may occur following circumcision especially if the wound separates or becomes infected.62 The treatment of this complication must be individualized, but skin grafting may be required for resolution.

Fistulas. Urethrocutaneous fistulas have been reported following circumcision.11,36,38,42,62 Most have occurred with a clamp or a Plastibell type of circumcision, but in many such instances sutures were also utilized in the area of the frenulum for control of hemorrhage. Presumably, these fistulas occur either because the urethra is actually pulled into and crushed by the circumcision clamp or because the urethra is actually incised either with a knife or as suture placed for hemostasis. The prevention of this complication lies in the operators visualizing exactly what is being done in the course of a circumcision. In a few patients an unrecognized congenital megalourethra has been directly incised resulting in fistula.61 Obviously, as was stated earlier, any penile abnormality is reason to delay circumcision; by heeding this caveat one can avoid creating a fistula in the patient with megolourethra.

Necrosis. Necrosis and slough of the glans or even entire penis has been reported following circumcision. Distal ischemia producing such tissue loss may result from infection,15 from the use of solutions containing epinephine, from vigorous attempts at hemostasis with suture or cautery,49 from the prolonged use of a tourniquet, or from a tight bandage.63 Necrosis is particularly likely to result if cautery is applied directly to a circumcision clamp (e.g., the Gomco). When the entire penis is lost following such a misadventure, it usually is best to change the child's sex of rearing to female. Such changes are particularly successful when accomplished before 18 months of age.49 Surgical reconstruction along female lines is far simpler and eminently more satisfactory in such circumstances than is reconstruction of a phallus.

Hypospadias and Epispadias. Both hypospadias and epispadias have inadvertently been produced during circumcision by splitting the glans penis at the time of dorsal or ventral split preparatory to actual excision of the prepuce.46 The operator can prevent this complication by visualizing what is done rather than by performing some aspect of the procedure blindly. On rare occasions the penile or scrotal skin has been inadvertently lacerated.23,47 These lacerations probably result from carelessness but rarely are of any consequence. On occasion, the tip of the glans has been excised, usually when the operator was using a blind technique.

Complications of Plastibell. When the Plastibell is utilized, the ring of the bell may migrate and by pressure necrosis produce a set of problems unique to this technique. If the ring may migrate and by pressure necrosis produce a set of problems unique to this technique. If the ring is too large it may migrate proximally and produce a groove in the shaft itself.14,23,30,45,59,73 To avoid such complications, any retained Plastibell ring should be removed after several days if it has not fallen off spontaneously.

Impotence. Impotence has been reported following circumcision in adults.26,64. In two instances this complication was caused by injection of anesthetic agent into the corpora.53

Psychosocial issues. Circumcision in the adult may precipitate, or be a part of, psychotic delusional behavior.4,19 One may detect such psychiatric problems preoperatively by carefully scrutinizing the motives leading the a.symptomatic adult to seek circumcision.

It recently has been reported that a subset of the homosexual male population is greatly disturbed by the state of being circumcised, to the extent that they have requested and actually have undergone, uncircumcision.48 Just as with undiversion, the trend away from routine neonatal circumcision may result in even fewer uncircumcisions than are currently performed. Uncircumcision is not a new operation but has been present since antiquity, its purpose usually being to obliterate signs of religious identifications.

Anesthetic Complications. Lastly, the anesthetic or lack thereof, may produce complications. General anesthesia led to deaths related to circumcision in at least one study.37 Caudal anesthesia is currently being employed in some centers,32 and its use, like the use of all regional anesthetics has its own inherent complications. When local anesthetic agents are injected into the corpora cavernosa, they can injure the tissues, producing impotence as previously noted.53 Additionally, idiosyncratic reactions and overdosages can occur. Solutions containing epinephrine may produce local tissue problems or systemic toxicity.6 The performance of neonatal circumcision without anesthesia produces decreased Po2,57 increased serum cortisol, and withdrawal,25 all indirect evidence of pain. Additionally, circumcision without anesthesia in a newborn has precipitated a pneumothorax.3



http://www.norm.org/notjust.html




F A C T S

[for anatomical clarification and references, visit Question 8 of our FAQ]

The prepuce (foreskin) is a natural protective covering for the glans (head) of the penis and is the most erogenous tissue of the penis, containing over 240 feet of nerves and over 1,000 nerve endings.

Average adult foreskin consists of 1-1/2 inches of outer skin and 1-1/2 inches of inner mucosal lining and is 5 inches in circumference (erect). Infant circumcision ultimately destroys what would become 15 square inches of erogenous tissue, or approximately 50% of the adult penile shaft skin and its nervous system.

The naturally adherent, non-retractile infant foreskin is torn from the glans before circumcision. We now know infants DO feel pain. They rarely receive anesthesia and/or post-operative pain management.

85% of the world's males are intact with few foreskin problems. America is the only developed nation left in the world still circumcising most (60%) of its newborn males for non-religious reasons.

Every day in the United States, over 3,300 baby boys are circumcised, more than 1.25 million infants annually, at an annual cost to parents and health insurers exceeding $200 million.

American medicine has failed to prove unequivocally and conclusively that circumcision carries any significant medical advantage over the intact state for the majority of males or their partners. It has also never researched the long-term physical, sexual, emotional or psychological consequences to men of infant circumcision.

Long-term harm includes: skin tags, skin bridges, prominent scars, tight/painful erections, bleeding during sex, bowing/curvature, loss of sensitivity, excessive/painful stimulation needed to orgasm, sexual dysfunction, anger, resentment, feelings of parental betrayal, mutilation/human rights violated, not feeling whole or natural, inferiority to intact males, low self-esteem, addictions or dependencies, etc.

run down of female vs male circumcision
http://www.noharmm.org/comparison.htm



These men claim not only that circumcision is traumatic to the newborn but also that the removal of the protective covering of the glans leads to keratinisation, a process which begins immediately after the loss of the foreskin and continues throughout life. Dr. Thomas Ritter, a US surgeon who was an early campaigner against circumcision, says over time the exposed glans takes on the character of external skin rather than mucous membrane, becoming dry and leathery.

It is said this toughening process causes loss of sensitivity of the glans, reducing sensitivity during sex.

In addition, circumcision is said to have other impacts on sexual pleasure.

The foreskin itself is believed to contain a generous endowment of specialised nerve endings which contribute to sexual feeling, and the movement of the foreskin over the glans during intercourse enhances the pleasurable sensations of sex.

Loss of the foreskin is believed to have a much greater impact on adult sexuality than has previously been acknowledged.

Other circumcised men complain of life-long irritation of the exposed glans as it comes in contact with clothing during normal activity.

Some claim discomfort during masturbation when the exposed glans is directly stimulated.

Some men are so angry about this involuntary surgery that they refer to it as an assault, and equate it to genital mutilation of the young female who is ritually circumcised for religious or cultural reasons.

http://www.cirp.org/library/restoration/pertot/



basically put, cut Americans.... we lose up to 50% of our penis.... we lose the most pleasurable zones of our penis..... it's been said part of the reason why men have sex so violently is because they NEED IT to cum......

now, I don't know about you all, but I can personally say I'm a bit *** up sensation wise as a result of my knob butchering. Basically, my wang is always a little sore, it kind of hurts to whack it... I'm wearing loose pants and boxers but there is always a numb soreness tingling down there as a result of being in contact with my clothes...

I've had issues of bleeding and becoming completely raw.... there are times when an erection hurts like hell..... it's not so easy to keep it up unless I have good h0tt porn.

I've noticed a steady trend of desensitization...my first time whacking it it took maybe 15 seconds....... 5 or so years later I'm happy if I can get off in under 20 minutes of constant as fast and as hard as I can go whacking.

Slowness doesn't cut it.

Now, assuming I get laid, I'll probably jizz instantly, but, if I have sex regularly, I'd imagine it would start to suck and not satisfy me too easy, the same way whacking it is.

I've heard a lot of TDNers say they'd rather whack it than ***..... that they can't get off as easy, maybe this is why?


I don't know what could have been, but I know what it is, and well... I'm a bit worried what it's going to be like to ***, providing I ever do.

By all means, female circumcision sounds substantially worse, but male circumcision is not to be taken lightly.

Don't butcher your kids knobs and consider restoration.... is what I'm asking from my fellow TDNers.

I don't think anyone in his right mind would NOT want to regain 50% more sensitivity and overall penile area and be able to experience pleasure and orgasms from having new organs and pieces of skin magically appear........

So... this has been a public service announcement of sorts.... I think I'm going to buy a cheap restoration device this fall.

oh yeah, and one last thing, no, i can't whack it dry.


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

http://www.infocirc.org/MensHlth.htm


these people deserve to be tied up and genitally tortured for a quite the while.

Really.


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

Very informative post.

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

What can I say. Americans are kind of stupid.

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

Wow.. although I've always been against the practice, I never thought it was thát... disgusting sadblauw

Thx for the post, holy reality!


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

OMG i didnt know they did that in america!

that is terrible!

and let me tell you babies can feel pain more than adults, and they dont know what it is, i can imagine a lot of american men suffer traumas from this.

*shocked*

really shocked.


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PostPosted: Sat 31 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

copied to notepad, stored and backed up.


i thank you for giving me yet another reason to think that americans in general are mindless morons, barely worthy of being called humans.

thank god i'm not an american.....

if a doctor did this to my children, id sue him/her for every last penny the quack had.


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PostPosted: Sat 31 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

hahahaha sucks to be you!
j/k thats horrable


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PostPosted: Sat 31 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

I find this very disturbing aswell, and i dont think it should be legal to force this procedure onto kids..

I am very happy this is not a common thing where i live, but even here some jews still practice this sort of shit.


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I wish some foreigners would come save me..........

sadblauw

seriously though, how do you sue? I don't have any money, it would be so embarrassing, people would put my name on TV.......

I want to... but....

I guess this is how raped people feel, they feel like it'd be worse to come forward than it would to shut up about it......

Damn.

If these were American boards people would be going "it's not that much of a deal"

hell, I didn't even know I was cut until like, age 16-17, I was like "what extra skin? I don't see any.... The head? They cut off the head??? Why would they do that?" thinking I was uncut.


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hmmmm,
the head is the best part tounge2
i can get off just by tickeling the head o my cock


sue man,
unless you are jewish, then theyd get kosher on your *** so fast


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PostPosted: Sat 31 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

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This pro and con argument has been raging in the medical community for almost three decades. Meanwhile, the circumcisions continue.


A quote from the above article.

This is not a secret. HBO has even had a documentary about it WITH PICTURES of adults that had complications from circumcisions.
I've even seen stories about it on local news.
When there is a knife, there are botches. It's human nature. Mistakes happen. Ever get a bad haircut? ... yeah, bad example. but some of these Docs treat the procedure with the same amount of casualness as a haircut.

It is NOT A LAW or a requirement in America. It is optional.

The intentions on creating a thread like this on a dream forum created from Europe is unclear to me, and the responses to it sicken me more than the content of the intial post.

holy reality, I understand your rage and concern, but wouldn't your efforts towards bettering the situation have more effect if you worked locally. The topic created here has more of a theme "another reason to hate America." If you really want to help America, this situation, and help American baby boys, then shouldn't you reach out to those on a local level. Not a European/International dream forum. whatsthat
Geeze, some will have nightmares now!

odd2k, in 200 years the country and it's people has revolutionized the world, and has brought a new standard of living to all of humanity. An evolutionary leap faster than any time in history. Years of the Bush agenda has ruined the unity we once had with the world. I can understand if the world takes Bush as an example of Americans we look pretty stupid, but don't forget about the luxuries you use right now brought to you by Americans. Does this sound arrogant, maybe, but it's true. Change happens quickly here, and we address and correct our weaknesses. Weaknesses should not be compared with stupidity.

Kimius, I feel I would be wasting time spending my effort replying to you. "Mindless morons barely worthy of being called humans" overspannen
Someone that makes a comment like that doesn't deserve my time for a debate.

Just a little over 200 years ago the world wasn't experiencing the freedoms we have now. America has set an example and the World has followed. We are all lemmings. . ... and therefore (I'm rubber, you're glue. whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you! :puh: )

Most of the reasons for circumcisions are for cosmetic reasons. Our American society thinks of "uncircumcised" as "unattractive" and "gross." When discussed in everyday conversation I find that most American Woman in my area are unattracted to a uncircumcised penis. It is NOT in everyday coversation that we talk about our numb butchered peni, nor do we have some castrated he/she cousin named "Pat."

It's a THOUSANDs of years practice and sure hasn't slowed down our reproduction. It started as a religious practice the world over. It is not "an American" thing. If this is someone's excuse to "beat on America" then you should be ashamed. It's not always "Americas fault" or "the government's fault" or "somebody else fault"
boo hoo!
take responsiblity
try a little harder for yourself
speak your own mind
Just please stop beating up on the what you suspect is the cause!
START DOING WHAT YOU KNOW HELPS!
don't sit, moan and *** and act like the world is falling apart.
in America, change happens when enough voices are heard.
and, if you don't want a circumcision, you say "doc, I don't want to circumcise my son"
SIMPLE AS THAT

It's almost humorous to hear that people think of American males as half castrated numb-penis guys running around pleasureless. It really is comical in a grotesque and ludicrous way. Circumcision, as old as history itself ... are the American's fault. lach1

Where is this God guy. ... I heard somebody say it was HIS fault! lolrood


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PostPosted: Sat 31 Jul, 2004  Reply with quote

yeah but DA i read they do it like routine on all just born baby boys; without any anastesia!

and that is what hurt me most,

no choice
and with pain also.

please tell me that this isnt done in all states and not without the consent of the mother.

i just cant imagine a mother just has given birth to a boy and then the next day the docter will come in and say oh yeah we did all the standard things/ weighing, injection and oh yeah circumcision.

if somebody decides he (or she!) wants to be circumciced at least let it be their own decision, it is their own body.

why dont they just cut the tonsils and remove the appendix as well on birth, that would safe a lot of complications too.


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yes, I agree it seem backwards. Circumcision is standard routine here, and you must request to leave the baby uncircumsized.

For the thousands of years this has been done there has never been "anastesia." . . . but wouldn't introducing "modern anastesia" to an infant be another risk on it's on. They do use a local anastesic that numbs the skin.

All of this is very well known by American mothers. Havn't you been around ladies that compare their labor and birth with other mothers? American mothers do just the same when they talk about their baby boys.

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why dont they just cut the tonsils and remove the appendix as well on birth, that would safe a lot of complications too.

Not a fair comparison. Tonsils or an appendix removal is not an old religious or traditional practice. It's also not cosmetic and seen by others.
This practice has became standard here because the majority at one time expected this to be done. Now it remains standard out of tradition and cosmetic purposes.

I understand it may be shocking to some cultures. Just as it's shocking to American's watching a Vietnamese eat some puppy dog. Or some African tribe ripping all of their new teenage girls hair out.

but, it's normal here.

yes, the human animal has strange rituals and practices. This may be one of America's strange practices, but shame to all that use this as an excuse to insult Americans.
We are humanity, and have only adopted this practice from our other human brothers and sisters. We are all equals.


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My personal oppinion - No form of opperations should be done on any child UNLESS they are neccessary.

unneccessary opps should only be performed by the request when the person getting the op is an adult.

I think performing any unneccessary opporation on anyone who hasn't personally asked for the op is an infringement of human rights.

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We are humanity, and have only adopted this practice from our other human brothers and sisters. We are all equals.


Doesn't make it humaine though. I could go out and kill people because other human brothers and sisters have, doesn't mean it's humaine.

People eat dogs, that's normal. We are omnivorous eating animals is natural, some people don't agree with it because they are little puppy dogs - we also have people who think killing/eating any animal is wrong.

Mutilation of peoples bodies isn't natural, it's not human nature either. It's human habit doesn't make it right.

But some cultures do these things, forced curcumcisions on their children, pre-aranged marriges. An other part of being human is accepting that other cultures do things that we may think is sick, brutal, weird etc. and that we can't change them and thus must live with it.

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In the US, he said, there had been six cases in which children successfully sued parents for choosing to circumcised when it was unnecessary.


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