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I have a question about WILD. If you relax yourself, and remain conscious the whole time, if you just wait and continue focusing on breathing, will you eventually just LD? Like, sometimes when i WILD, I just sit there wondering if I keep sitting here, will I be successful. |
I'm unsure I understand your question. You have to fall asleep in order to WILD. |
Its really hard to explain, but..hmm. If I try WILD, lets say I just sit there, counting. If I do this long enough, will I experience HI, and such? Because many times, I count, and count, and I end up getting discouraged, so I stop. Or I just become uncomfortable, and move. But I think that if I know that all I need to do is continue counting, then I will do it.
So to sum it all up, if I need to know that if I sit there counting, relaxing, ect, will a WILD come to me, (or normal sleep) because all of the times that I have tried WILDing, I end up giving up after no success.
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I'm no expert, but from everything I've learned from others here, I don't think the WILD method is guaranteed for everyone and if you really want success with it you should combine it with WBTB. And if you're someone who takes a long time to fall asleep, it's not the best tech...but I think if you really put your mind to it and practice you can do anything, it just might take a lot of practice.
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i find that when i try WILD normally i cant get HI, even if i lie in bed for really long periods of time and dont fall asleep (although ive never had a successful WILD before)
however, when there is noise in the background and i just lay there i get HI after lying for a while (this is without WBTB). unfortunately, in those situations i have not had hte opportunity to try WILD.
should i try WILD with music or the TV on to help me get HI or should i continue trying WBTB and not getting HI...
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Location: hare krishna hare krishna, krishna krishna hare hare! hare rama hare rama, rama rama hare hare!
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| Basilus West wrote: |
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I have a question about WILD. If you relax yourself, and remain conscious the whole time, if you just wait and continue focusing on breathing, will you eventually just LD? Like, sometimes when i WILD, I just sit there wondering if I keep sitting here, will I be successful. |
I'm unsure I understand your question. You have to fall asleep in order to WILD. |
Its really hard to explain, but..hmm. If I try WILD, lets say I just sit there, counting. If I do this long enough, will I experience HI, and such? Because many times, I count, and count, and I end up getting discouraged, so I stop. Or I just become uncomfortable, and move. But I think that if I know that all I need to do is continue counting, then I will do it.
So to sum it all up, if I need to know that if I sit there counting, relaxing, ect, will a WILD come to me, (or normal sleep) because all of the times that I have tried WILDing, I end up giving up after no success. |
you have to actually be falling asleep, but you have to be conscious enough to realize that you are falling asleep.
i don't know that you can be completely alert and relaxed and have lucidity. that would be some very advanced meditation... as far as i can think it if you want to go out of your body into a dream you HAVE to either be falling asleep, or be able to create some sort of dissociative trance state.
the goal is to keep counting while falling asleep, and staying alert enough to keep oscilating in and out of progressively deeper sleep, but not sleepy enough that you cannot continue counting.
focusing on the third eye (between eyebrows) seems to help maintain the lucid transition but .... i need so much more practice.
TONIGHT! i will see.
what is recommended for yoga nidra (conscious deep sleep) is that you focus on the third eye to enter a conscious hypnagogic state, then the throat to enter the dreamstate... then the heart to enter deep sleep.
i did do this once and i made it to the lucid dream state but got distracted and didn't pursue deep sleep.
http://www.swamij.com/yoga-nidra.htm
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Eh, the more I try WILD, the more discouraged I become. I tried it recently, and it leaves me tired, really hot, and when I do sleep, I do not remember my dreams as well as I normally do.
But I do have a question. Every time I do try WILD, I count, and At some point, I do not remember counting to that number, I feel that I drifted out, and "woke up" again at that time. Is this what is happening?
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