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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

Hi,
Basilus West said
"Now, it's unclear to me if it's deprogramming/reprogramming or adding a new and faster program."

Well yes it is. grin
Actualy, it depends on where you are. If you have a program that directly interferes with the program that you want to make, you may have to deprogram it, or reprogram it. The difference is more in your head, but I would say something like going from "If I LD I will try to fly, If I try to fly I might fall, If I fall I might die" to "If I LD I will try to fly, flying in an LD is lots of fun" is reprograming, and trying to get rid of "If I fall I might die" with something like "Dreams are a safe, fun pastime" is deprogramming. I think it is more semantics in this case.

For a lot of the other questions, it depends a lot on the person. It is always a program from you for your SC. what you and your SC understand is what is important. In the western world there are a lot of similaritys between people, so what works for one generaly works for others. This is an international forum however, so there will be differences between people from different cultures. There are also personal differences. For some people "I will have a lucid dream at 5AM" might work. For most people it will not because it is to vague for the SC. What I am trying to say here is "You need to get to know your SC". You can get a lot of help here, but you need to take the with your SC to get to know how it deals with your "programs" and what other programs it already has that are blocking your "programs". This is true for lots of things, not just LD'ing. If you don't know your SC very well, you might have problems with autosuggestion or autohypnose.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

Helpful! ^_^ Always had the willpower, but have to know where to direct it...Very very very very (x10^10) useful. =P

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

Sometimes even the best approach to your SC is to imagine it. Influence yourself like your programming yourself. If you tell yourself something over and over influencing yourself (like ego theories) you'll find it has overcomed your conscious to your subconscious.

Easy way- imagine the layout of your mind in any way you want then picture what you want to be in the mind. Tell yourself over and over to program it. If something is blocking you from doing so, clear you conscious first.


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PostPosted: Fri 21 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

Didn't work for me. I suggested it right I think, but I couldn't sleep. I fell asleep without knowing it some time then and that spoiled everything, had a terrible dream recall.

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

why is doing it WHILE falling asleep ineffective?

this is a direct access between you and the subconscious, where you can receive feedback back.

while it is true, that trying to speak logical sentence in this state my result with a garbled and confusing string of words, ideas, pictures, or sounds that may not have a direct inherent meaning, and you may develop amnesia as to what you were doing in the first place....

if you can maintain an intent and take it into theta like that, isn't it more powerful than saying it 20 times in beta/alpha ?

like for instance imagine that the next sentence I type is my mantra. I am approaching sleep and will retain lucidity throughout the night when ever applicable.

I am approaching sleep and will retain lucidity throughout the night -----------*drifts off and comes back awake*-------when ever applicable.

I am approaching sle---------------------
*drifts off*----------------------------------
*gradually comes back*----------------------
I am............. ? I am....................
-------------------------*drifts off even deeper* ------------
*comes back more alert this time*
Oh yeah... I am going to be lucid....................*drifts off*

doesn't it seem like that imprints it more, even if it churns back gibberish? Isn't it like placing your conscious into an entry point into the subconscious?

do you have experience playing around down there in the semi-amnesia of approaching sleep, when sleep carries more momentum than conscious volition, and takes you on a brief journey downards.

or maybe everything just gets deleted during delta if you can't store it to long term memory? that could be.


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

holy reality..I myself have played around with saying commands while I fall asleep, and in my personal experience I found that my statements weren't really taken seriously. They were probably at first..but later on when I started to doze off and I would alter the statement just because I was half asleep...that probably either made a new command, or just basically messed up the old command.

If what you were saying was true, then why wouldn't MILD work 100% of the time?

Anyways..I'm not saying what you can and cannot do. By all means go for it..I just don't think it will be as effective.

Robin, maybe you could explain a little more? lol your second sentence didn't make much sense. Why could you not fall asleep? Too excited? And what statement did you use? Did you feel it was registered?

You may have to just play around with it.. It could be the way you said it..it could be the time you set your command at..it could be anything. Just alter some things and see what works and what doesn't.


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

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If what you were saying was true, then why wouldn't MILD work 100% of the time?


does this work 100%? I've tried MILD more than this for sure. You may be right and I will give it a spin definitely.


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

this works 100% if you do it and believe correctly. But then again...so does everything else. lol. I dunno. Maybe you can do this while falling asleep. It's just the times I have actually tried it, that was not the case. It obviously didn't register or something. But, the night that I stopped doing that and repeated my statement before going to sleep...I got an LD. So I am fully convinced..

I would be interested in seeing how you guys go through it though... Everybody is different...so maybe you guys wouldn't fail the way I did with the falling asleep part.


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PostPosted: Sun 23 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

BenDrummin58 wrote:

Robin, maybe you could explain a little more? lol your second sentence didn't make much sense. Why could you not fall asleep? Too excited? And what statement did you use? Did you feel it was registered?

You may have to just play around with it.. It could be the way you said it..it could be the time you set your command at..it could be anything. Just alter some things and see what works and what doesn't.


I think my statement was correctly given to my subconscious and I was ready for that part, but I can't fall asleep because I have a little insomnia. It's kinda weird. If it's like that, I always don't know when I fall asleep (some time later, while I'm thinking, or so). And that eliminates lucidity for me. I could be lucid if I could fall asleep when I want to, I think.

Oh and sorry for my terrible English. smile




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PostPosted: Sun 23 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

Gah, the technique worked, but I woke up within 10 seconds of becoming lucid. Maybe I should throw in a "I will not spontaneously wake up during dreams" SC program.

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

you know what's funny? I've been using autosuggestion before without doing it the way Bendrummin does it and have gotten a lot of LD's! Tonight, i went to sleep saying the right statement, and when i woke up to drink water, i didn't get a LD. When i went to sleep, i said 'I am going to get a lucid dream now'. And it worked! Perhaps, my SC is cleverer than your's

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

I hope that you will not throw rocks at me, but i dont exacly agree with BenDrummin.

You mentioned that "Tonight" is too open term. I dont think so. If someone understoods "Tonight" time, when he sleeps at night and morning, he wont have problems. At least i am using command/mantra "Tonight i will recogenize my dream" to MILD, which is my primary LDing technique. And it works pretty well.

Second thing: Subconsus in not a computer, where you can type something and it will work. Subconsus is part of us. When we just belive that we will have a LD, there is no need for any "Subconsus Programming Language"

Oh no dont do that!
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

Deadduck, when I wrote this thread, I did not write it thinking that this is the one and only way to hook up to the subconscious. I wrote it thinking about what worked for me and some people that I know. You are correct about the whole 'tonight' issue, and I in fact knew about it before writing this. But why did I say the things I said about it? Because it was different. Everybody has been using the word 'tonight' when using a MILD tech. Unlike you, many people struggle to get MILD to work (which is the same for every single tech out there). So instead of saying "keep using tonight!" which would just make people less motivated because they know it wont work... I said "don't use tonight" in an effort to allow their subconscious to approach this 'programming practice' in a different way.

I am in no way forcing anybody to do exactly what I say. I am just giving out suggestions.

As for the subconscious being a computer...you took it too literal..lol. It was more of a metaphor.


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

All I have to say is: thanks ALOT. smile

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

Every time I've tried this, it works. Thanks Ben, now I can devote my time to the new problem of trying to stay lucid.

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