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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

first, a disclaimer. i don't pass the consistency check for long-term periods. as i said in this post, some things tend to change. mostly stuff related to names of people, places, that kind of name. (conversely, pomegrenades have been golden ever since learnt their name in English --- in that sense i pass the consistency check, just as with those dull "give a colour to each letter of the alphabet" questionaires). but names of people, those tend to change. reason is i'm not a proper synęsthete; synęsthesia is to me a symptom to me of something bigger (my PM buddies know of a couple of other things that are symptoms to this exact same condition: ---my poet and my demon). enough with disclaimer, lets try to get this through to you people.

visualise an apple. really, follow me here: visualise an apple. have it in your hands. feel the strength of its material, the smoothness of its outside, its sweet and subtle smell. picture yourself biting it. the juice leaking away, the sound of your bite, its internal consistency and texture, its smell. i think everyone here can, without much effort, visualise one of these parts more or less vividly. some people can really feel the consistency of the apple against their hands. others can reconstruct the smell to the point of feeling their stomachs grumble and their spine shiver from the sweetness. other people can really feel the texture of the apple bite against their tongue.

regardless of what aspect or aspects of this visualisation you can reconstruct the best, i think there is a sense in which we can all agree that reconstruction was very vivid (if you put some effort, it was more vivid than you usually think yourself capable of) and there is a sense in which it was just a trace, something on the background --- a reconstruction, after all.

this is what the synęsthete experiences. some more or less vividly than in a visualisation exercise, but the feeling is just the same in nature. i think we can all agree it is not the same as seeing an apple in front of you, or actually feeling its taste just as if you had it on your mouth. it's more like experiencing the redness as a hint, out of your visual field, or like experiencing a strong memory of a taste --- strong enough to even generate some collateral reaction in your system, the shiver, the stomach, but not strong enough to trick you into believing there's an apple in your mind.

this is the basic idea. i think this also helps see why asking "do you see the colour" is a bad question. because the synęsthete is tempted to reply "well, yes and no". you do visualise, but see? see involves projecting it somewhere. sure, that classical stereotype of seeing colours to letters makes confusion simple enough: the synęsthete could arguably see the letter coloured their personal way! but what about music? where in your vision field will you project what you visualise with music, shall you be that kind of synęsthete? it makes no sense, mm? getting a synęsthete to try and explain what's going is rather frustrating, as there's no agreement on what vocabulary to use or what distinctions to make:

"it's not that i see the colours, i experience them: i see them! ...no! i mean, i don't 'see' see them, i just--- i can see them, but not with my sight, i see them somewhere else..."

it's endless, confusing and terribly frustrating. i hope i've helped you guys understand the basic drill though. in my words (which are by no means a scientific distinction, just a way to help here), synęsthesia is about visualisation, rather than sight, or in broader terms, reconstruction, rather than factual experience. factual experience would've been what we call psychotic hallucinations: believing you actually have an apple in your mouth? that would be very confusing, and make synęsthesia suddenly some clinical "condition" comparable to, yes, psychosis.

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edit: what's going on here

on a more scientifical note, the brain scans show activity in the parts of the brain relative to the sensation being reconstructed. so one might say the experience is real: you do see the red, somewhere out of your vision field, but you see it, you see it with the "vision" area of your brain. then again, visualisations and (since we're in this forum) dreams also light up those parts of the brain. the fact your experience is in no way projected onto the real world, as a hallucination would, tricking you into confusing reality and other kinds of experience, is key to understanding what's going on, though.


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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

Spamtek wrote:
Some synaesthetes can't drive with music in the car because their field of vision doubles as a visual equalizer! It's like fireworks going off in front of them.


That...is freakin awesome. I would perform a sense "enhancing" ritual and then I would listen to this: Peaches en Regalia

That would be something to experience.


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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

there's 2 types of syn, associative and projecting, projecting is least common, which is actually seeing, associative is just associating A with blue, but not actually seeing the A as a blue letter
edit: didn't see later posts, and bruno, i am not good at visualising, best i can do is seeing the apple


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

sirius)(black wrote:
there's 2 types of syn, associative and projecting, projecting is least common, which is actually seeing, associative is just associating A with blue, but not actually seeing the A as a blue letter


Could the associative aspect of synesthesia be linked with OLP? (Ordinal linguistic personification = numbers/letters/days/months/etc. have personalities) It's been suggested (on wiki) that they are indeed similar... Because I'm a little confused. I have OLP, but I also have a couple synes-type color associations with certain numbers and sounds.

Spartan76092 wrote:
I was watching a TV show on science channel about synesthesia people.


Do you remember the title of the documentary? I'd love to tivo a rerun! ^^



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PostPosted: Sun 03 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

I actually do exactly the same thing with my classes.

Math: Yellow
English: Orange
Science: Red
History: Green
French: Blue


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

I've known about this for a while now, but I just now saw the post about "associative" synesthesia. I've thought for a while that maybe I had synesthesia in some form or another. Now I think that if I do, it's definitely associative. To me, the letter "A" happens to seem red, whereas "B" is blue, "C" is yellow, "D" is burnt red/brown...and the same thing goes with numbers, words and days of the week. "That" seems brown/red to me...the number "6" is orange-yellow...somehow, some things vary for me, though. I dunno why, but maybe one time I'll think that "Wednesday" is purple, then I'll think it's blue. It's pretty interesting to have someone say a word and then see what color I think of, though. tounge2
Oh, and my classes kinda have colors too. From this past year, it was like...
Programming: blue
Gym: yellow/orange
Band: blue/black
Math: red or blue
History: red or blue (whichever one isn't already Math at the time)
English: yellow
Science: green


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

hunaynay wrote:
sirius)(black wrote:
there's 2 types of syn, associative and projecting, projecting is least common, which is actually seeing, associative is just associating A with blue, but not actually seeing the A as a blue letter


Could the associative aspect of synesthesia be linked with OLP? (Ordinal linguistic personification = numbers/letters/days/months/etc. have personalities) It's been suggested (on wiki) that they are indeed similar... Because I'm a little confused. I have OLP, but I also have a couple synes-type color associations with certain numbers and sounds.


OLP is often found in combination with number/letter-based synesthesia, at least, i think so


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PostPosted: Thu 21 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

Wow, I think I have synesthesia... Ever since I was a little kid, I've always "seen" sound. Sometimes it would be a firework, sometimes it would be a fountain, sometimes it would be a series of fibers.. all within a rainbow of colors... Makes playing my clarinet in Band rather trippy =D My clarinet's sound is forest green in the shape of a round tube... or a noodle or something. Saxophones look like flower petals, Flutes look like spritzes of water, trumpets look like chalky marks, and tubas look like large hazy blurs... When the whole band plays together it all kind of forms a rainbow shape.. or a river, all the parts flowing within each other. I can actually SEE when someone is sticking out or becoming out of tune. Helps a lot with my own intonation =3

One of my favorite things to do is just sit with my eyes closed listening to birdsong or sounds of my neighborhood. It literally looks like I'm watching Fantasia...

It never gets in the way, though. Sort of like.. if the images were transparent and I was looking through them. Sometimes I can ignore them altogether. It's certainly not unpleasant, though =3


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PostPosted: Sat 26 Dec, 2009  Reply with quote

wat if u associate smells with experiences or memorys? cant really explain, but is that synaesthesia?

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