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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

When I try to WILD, I find that if i try too hard to control the
proccess of going to sleep, I get nowhere. If I don't try to
control the proccess I fall asleep and have an ND.
Does anyone have any idea how you can control the proccess without stopping it? eh

*EDIT*
I kept looking and found the the following website [From A Link On This Site!]:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming:_Inductio n_Techniques#Techniques
It has some useful tips on various techniques including WILD.
Just thought I'd post it for anyone who's interested.
*END OF EDIT*

whatsthat Question:

I am a little confused by the idea of using RC s to WILD.
Isn't an LD induced by a RC really a MILD? I understand there's
no harm in using both methods but I can't see how RC s have
anything to do with WILD s.



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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

when I tried WILD I'm pretty sure I got close, because my eyes started to tweak out, I started seeing things, and if felt like gravity was changing dramatically every second.. lol. Oh yeah, I don't think I went into sleep paralysis, but I couldn't really feal my body.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

Greetings all
i just tried to wild and i believe i reached SP and i was seeing images HI i believe they seemed pretty random but i seemed to not be able to get past that i tried rolling out of body floating out sinking out and nothing seemed to work i also tried to "grab the scenery" i seemed to grab it but nothing happened sadblauw i was then awakened by my cursed grandparents in SP demanding i move being in SP i couldn't tounge2


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

@altheman9993:
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When I WILD, my right eye always seem to crop open. Is there anyway to counter-act this?

You are simply not tired enough to fall asleep. Usually your eyes take care of themselves when you fall asleep. If they don't, you are probably too excited/awake.

@martinator35
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after this i get an amazing sensation like im falling or sinking or spinning then i start to feel like im suffocating so i stop and take a big breath, but by the time ive taken the breath, all the feelings are gone and i have a big adrenaline rush which keeps me from sleeping for a bit. help!

I know what you are talking about. I had these problems when I started practicing WILD at night. The suffocating sensation, well, you can prevent it to a dregree by breathing properly. There was a technique which was posted once which really works very well… (also for other purposes, anytime one gets too excited). I am not sure if I can describe it accurately, but it goes like this:
Inhale deeply and all the way down to your stomach (so it actually bulges), then let the air out. Calmly but quicker than inhaling. Try to relax.
If you feel like you are suffocating, just take a deep breath. No use trying to pretend you are not, because you probably are not breathing properly and not getting enough air. wink5 I have found that taking a deep breath disrupts the technique far less than this suffocating feeling.
Anyway, if you care so much about breathing, you are probably not tired enough for a real LD. If you are falling asleep, your brain takes care of breathing without you being aware of it. But anyway, you may become more relaxed in the process and actually fall asleep.

@Dragon73:
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Does anyone have any idea how you can control the proccess without stopping it?

It is not so much about controlling, it is about staying aware. And like someone wisely said before in this thread, aware is a very different thing from awake. wink5
If you try WILD you will probably either fail (i.e. stay awake in a very excited state which keeps you from sleeping entirely) or drift off to sleep and have either a ND (nice, but stil not what you wanted) or a LD (good).
It is not too difficult to stay aware during HI/HH, in fact, this may often keep you from falling asleep. However, it is difficult to stay aware what you are doing if a dream starts to form.
Just keep practising and don't forget to fall asleep. wink5

@yus_yus_13:
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Oh yeah, I don't think I went into sleep paralysis, but I couldn't really feal my body.

It is a good sign if you are not aware of your body, because then you can enter a dream body without problems like worrying about breathing, twitching, tickling etc.. wink5

@Vermath:
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i was then awakened by my cursed grandparents in SP demanding i move being in SP i couldn't

Next time, ask your grandparents if they are real or if you are dreaming. wink5


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

Do'h i'm pretty sure they where real since i then went to the doctor and had a shot and i tensed my arms so it still hurts now... unless this whole thing is a really elaborate dream (does RC)nope just reality poop. ( i was sick if i that has any effect)

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

Thanks Ionflux. ^^

During the first time I had any success I felt, in control.
[I managed to get to falling sensations etc.]

Perhaps this is where I'm going wrong, trying to control.
Being aware was probably what I was feeling.

A mix of trying to control and the fact I feel excited that I
might do it again is probably stopping me LD-ing and causing
me to eventually fall into an ND.

I'll try to be aware without effecting the proccess next time, thanks. grin

I found my eyes were opening too. After passing a certain
point, sortof halfway though Hypnogogic imagry, my eyes
seemed to tense themselves and stayed shut. turn3



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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

im kinda stuck at the moment also tounge2 isnt there any way to get to the Hypnagogic state faster? because when i try to WILD i get desperate quickly, its hard for me to just stay there for hours

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

you could always drink some Nyquil or take a Benadrill tounge1 probably not a good idea but hey if you happen to have a snotty throat then i would give it a shot tounge2 also try WBTB i achieved a sort of half WILD using that

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

Just had to post again to say, Ionflux you were right.
By just trying to stay aware rather than control I managed
to get to HI quite quickly. I then prompty fell asleep. cry

Shadow Knight:

If you're lying there for hours it sounds to me like you might
not be clearing your mind, have you tried meditating.
I find that an effective way to do that is when you hear a
thought just hear it get quieter until you can't hear it anymore.



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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

@Dragon73:
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By just trying to stay aware rather than control I managed
to get to HI quite quickly. I then prompty fell asleep.

Well, that is not too bad. Now, you should a) have a dream and b) preferably a lucid one. wink

@Shadow Knight:
It should not take hours. If it doesn't work after an hour or so, I would recommend to sleep normally and try again some other time.


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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

Vermath wrote:
Greetings all
i just tried to wild and i believe i reached SP and i was seeing images HI i believe they seemed pretty random but i seemed to not be able to get past that i tried rolling out of body floating out sinking out and nothing seemed to work i also tried to "grab the scenery" i seemed to grab it but nothing happened sadblauw i was then awakened by my cursed grandparents in SP demanding i move being in SP i couldn't tounge2


"i tried rolling out of body" <=That is a OOBE technic, from what I know. I think you should try to stop thinking about anything (easier said than done), then you should fall asleep and still have your conscious.


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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

Ionflux wrote:

Inhale deeply and all the way down to your stomach (so it actually bulges), then let the air out. Calmly but quicker than inhaling. Try to relax.


The only problem with doing this is that you might go into hyperventilation and have a funny ant-like sensation on your teeth, then it would be really hard to go to sleep...


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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007  Reply with quote

WillowZ wrote:
Vermath wrote:
Greetings all
i just tried to wild and i believe i reached SP and i was seeing images HI i believe they seemed pretty random but i seemed to not be able to get past that i tried rolling out of body floating out sinking out and nothing seemed to work i also tried to "grab the scenery" i seemed to grab it but nothing happened sadblauw i was then awakened by my cursed grandparents in SP demanding i move being in SP i couldn't tounge2


"i tried rolling out of body" <=That is a OOBE technic, from what I know. I think you should try to stop thinking about anything (easier said than done), then you should fall asleep and still have your conscious.


Not at all. It's used to OOBE/AP but it also can give a LD. If Vermath wanted to end up in dream, he probably would get into there.

@Vermath
Maybe if you waited bit longer, you'd step into dream.. keep trying, it seems like you did everything right.


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The only problem with doing this is that you might go into hyperventilation and have a funny ant-like sensation on your teeth, then it would be really hard to go to sleep...

There is no reason to do it unless you have problems with breathing right. And even then, it should still resemble calm breathing, not hyperventilation.

For me, it seems best to not really try to do anything at all. I just go with the flow, much like leaning back and watching a movie, but still staying aware of what happens.

If I try stuff like rolling out of my body, spinning, or visualizing things, I will very likely just wake up. confused

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