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PostPosted: Mon 17 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I am a P (9-1), and I have been using the ones you have said (most of the time), it has worked and I think there is something to this.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I am barely a P. I guess that explains a lot. I usually use P autosuggestion, and they work only about half as well as I wish tounge2 I'll have to try an E autosuggestion from time to time now.


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PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Uhm

A = 5
B = 5

Why will these things never work for me?! :´(


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PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I'm a P by a small margin (6-4)

MILD works for me fairly well, but not for actually inducing dreams.That is to say it works, but not that often. Vi, perhaps you could link us to the original test to help some of the people (including me) who are on the fence find if they are more one way or anther. After all, a 10 question test leaves some considerable gaps.

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I'm an E, and i got a lot of b's.

Even just reading the suggested sentences make SO much more sense to me!

I'll try it out!


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

MovieMe wrote:
Uhm

A = 5
B = 5

Why will these things never work for me?! :´(


i think this is the best result wink5

and seems like i revived this thread smile


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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I knew it, i have 5 As and 5 Bs, so I'm neither E nor P...

I should have already known as I realized that some of the questions were not easy to answer for me and I wished to select a "C" ^^


EDIT: OMG, did not log in a lot of time... and from my signature I see I had more lucid dreams in the first two months of 2006 than I had this whole year 2007!! grrr


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Re: *Suggestability test: Make MILD/Auto-Suggestion Work for
PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Vi wrote:
I took a course in hypnosis, and one of the most important things in making hypnotic suggestions work is wording them the right way depending on the type of person you are hypnotizing. Well, the same concept can be used for autosuggestion and MILD techniques!

To find out how to word your autosuggestions, you need to find out if you are an E (emotional-suggestable) or a P (physical-suggestable). Here is a shorter version of the suggestability test I've adapted from the original by John Kappas:

1. You...
A) are comfortable expressing your emotions.
B) would rather keep your emotions to yourself.

2. When discussing something interesting...

A) You often stare directly into a person's eyes and get close.
B) You'd prefer to keep a civilized distance and find yourself looking elsewhere.

3. When in a group of unfamiliar people...

A) Your movements are carefree and casual.
B) You know they are looking, so you guard your movements.

4. You learn better by...

A) Seeing or Reading
B) Hearing

5. In a new class or lecture, you...

A) Are comfortable asking questions.
B) Let the others ask any questions.

6. You prefer reading...

A) Fiction
B) Non-Fiction

7. You think children are...

A) Great to be around, all the time.
B) Preferably avoidable.

8. When expressing ideas, you...

A) Tell all the related details, so you're sure you'll be understood.
B) Get right to the point.

9. When you do a great job on a school project, you'd rather be...

A) complimented in front of the class.
B) privately complimented.

10. You empathise and feel more strongly when someone describes to you...

A) The terrible pain of their skiing accident when they slammed face-first into a tree, shattering their collar-bone.
B) The terrible pain when their parter left them without explanation, and refuses to speak to them.


Now, add up your As and Bs. More As mean you're a P, and more Bs mean you're an E. If you're equal or close to it, you can probably take either suggestion type, or try both and see what works.

If you are a P, the normal direct suggestions should work:
- I WILL have a lucid dream.
- I will remember my dreams.
- I will wake up after each dream I have.
- I will remember to realize I'm dreaming.

If you are an E, you might like to try one or more of the following (but NOT combined with literal suggestions. Stick only to ones on this list to be safe.):
- In my lucid dream, I will fly (or whatever your goal is).
- In the morning, I can write down all of my dreams.
- I will become lucid any time in the night my mind chooses.

And don't forget to combine with visualizations of becoming lucid!


So! What do you think? What are your results? Are there a lot of Es out there who have tried MILD unsuccessfully because it uses literal suggestions meant for Ps? Any other questions or confusions? Any other auto-suggestions you'd like me to make an E version of?

I was thinking of also making a pair of induction mp3s, one for Ps and one for Es, where I could really use the suggestive distinction and my hypnotist skills to make an induction that is significantly more effective than the ones meant for everyone.


Im an E and a P, Auto suggestion works fine for me, and i also, 90% of my LD's were DILD s and i used DS. so i don't rely on auto suggestion but this is still cool.



Current LD goal(s): Have an SD with that cute little crow.
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I haven't been around in a while, but as the topic has been raised from the dead I thought I'd come clarify some things.

E and P stand for "emotional" and "physical," but if you're an E it doesn't mean you're more or less emotional than a P. The names are derived from something else.

If you're a P, you take direct literal suggestions. Ps tend to take things literally, and talk more figuratively with metaphors and implied statements.

An E listens for the hidden meaning behind a statement, taking it not at face value but looking for what it "really" means, while they tend to speak more directly and literally.

The two types account for a lot of miscommunication. Take the broadest of examples: "Hey, wanna go grab lunch?" The P thinks "ooh, I'm hungry. Yes!" the E thinks "hmm, this person wants to spend time with me. They must like me!"

So for a P literal suggestions work because the P takes them literally. An E will take something like "I will lucid dream tonight" and interpret it perhaps as really meaning "I want to lucid dream tonight, I hope I do!" which isn't a strong suggestion to them.

So, for an E, a statement like "I will remember my lucid dreams in the morning" has an implied fact: that they will have lucid dreams to remember. Meanwhile, a P might think "but what if I don't have any?"

Some more implied suggestions (and visualize these too):

"I will be more lucid than usual tonight"
(implying you are usually quite lucid!)
"I love when I have lucid dreams." (not IF I have, WHEN I have.)
"After I become lucid, I will..."
"I will write down and remember my LDs in the morning"
"I can't wait to tell X about the lucid dream I'll have tonight"


I hope this helps clear things up a little! Also, I know some of you are on the fence with this one. Part of it is that it's hard to concretely test these things with a multiple choice test! The original test is not online and I'm not sure how legal it would be for me to upload it. People who are truly in the middle are called "somnambulists" (yeah I know) and are open to both types of suggestions, so try one type one night and the other the next and see how many LDs you have.

Here's an experiment in implied milding...
"I will become lucid, I will become lucid a second time, I will become lucid a third time, I will become lucid a fourth time, I will become lucid a fifth time..."
Because each number implies and reinforces the earlier ones. Much cooler than counting yourself to sleep!


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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Thank you Vi for your explanations. :D My question has been lost amidst bunches of new posts, so I ask it again: I wanted to translate this quite literaly on the french forum (and of course I'll say that the original post was written by you). Please may I?

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

This is off-topic but I just started to study French this year in school! :D

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Basilus West wrote:
Thank you Vi for your explanations. :D My question has been lost amidst bunches of new posts, so I ask it again: I wanted to translate this quite literaly on the french forum (and of course I'll say that the original post was written by you). Please may I?

Sorry I lost your question! Of course you may. Good luck to the French speaking dreamers!


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Thank you again Vi. And good luck with your french lessons kT4all. smile

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I'm equal. 5-5
So I could use both, right? I tried the normal suggestions, but no LD's so far. (But I've only tried MILD for 3 days now) xD
Somehow I like the E suggestions more than the P ones. Maybe I should try P tonight


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

I'm an E. hope this works 4 me, gonna give it a try tonight! grin grin

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