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Talon Arana
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Angstyboy wrote:
Oh. Another character came to me Tuesday. Not from a dream, though. She just... came. And, that's usually how my most memorable characters occur. I'm just a little too embarassed right now to talk about her, though.

I will... sometime, I guess.


Haha XD I can't imagine what would make to too embarassed to talk about a character-- but I'm glad that she spontaneously came to you...!~
I can't wait to hear about her ^^~

G'night guys!~

Happy lucids...
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Can't imagine? Then surprised you will be when I tell you about her. I will say that "the answer" is closer than you would think. Practically right in front of you, even.

Maybe closer.

As for progress on my more developed characters... I'm getting this sense of a quasischizo feeling. I'm not sure if it's necessarily a good or bad thing - it doesn't really bother me, it's just different. Mostly it's Vice who is the "talkative" one...

It's funny... DCs seem less developed in personality than consciously "created" characters. In most cases, at least.




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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Talon- thank you for your kind words. I am trying to move on but its hard. sadyes
So much has happened in just 2 days. Seriously so much my brain is hurting.
First of all I have 3 new characters (I think my subconcious is throwing me characters to ease the loss of Alice.)
so I will introduce them. First theres Carma the black panther I talked about last time. Shes calmer than I expected and sort of just follows me around Arveya pretty scilently though we can talk through minds.
Then came a brother and sister. I was sitting on my bus home 2 nights ago and they walked on sat in front off me and we chatted.
Theres Felicia Oswald who is 15 loud, cheerful , and very bossy
I also have Emanuel Oswald her older brother who is 17 shy quiet and sweet. Him and Felicia look so alike. Plus they are both very good at aiding me in LDs I had like a 10 second one last night ^^
Plus Arveya is coming along nicely.
Thats all for now (sorry for the long post)


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CALD is for cazy people
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I don't understand CALD what so ever. You people with "characters" act like they are actually alive! Can someone explain this "CALD" in simple terms?

<mod>I merged this with the CALD topic. Also, the pathways to lucidity forum is the right place to post questions about techniwues. siiw </mod>



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Re: CALD is for cazy people
PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

yohanover wrote:
I don't understand CALD what so ever. You people with "characters" act like they are actually alive! Can someone explain this "CALD" in simple terms?

<mod>I merged this with the CALD topic. Also, the pathways to lucidity forum is the right place to post questions about techniwues. siiw </mod>


CALD (character assisted lucid dreaming) is a LD technique that Talon created yes
You use one or more DCs or consciously created characters to help you LD.
Im sure Talon could explain it better...


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Angstyboy wrote:
Can's imagine? Then surprised you will be when I tell you about her. I will say that "the answer" is closer than you would think. Practically right in front of you, even.

Maybe closer.

As for progress on my more developed characters... I'm getting this sense of a quasischizo feeling. I'm not sure if it's necessarily a good or bad thing - it doesn't really bother me, it's just different. Mostly it's Vice who is the "talkative" one...

It's funny... DCs seem less developed in personality than consciously "created" characters. In most cases, at least.


Wow O-o;
Perhaps I'm not looking closely enough? Is she your darkside, or something-- or...Uhmmm ~o-o~ Or...Maybe...
Agh, My theory is a bit... I think I'm going to stop thinking about that now.

:P DCs do tend to have less percieved personality-- because in consciousness, we would focus on that aspect alot more...
And as for the quasi-schizo feeling, just remember to have very -very- clear, and strict outlines, and I'm sure you'll be fine :P I know you have quite a bit of control!
I have very strict rules when it comes to my characters, I could never let them cross that line and blur my sense of reality-- it's way too dangerous...
:D But thankfully, by beliefs and philosyphys co-incide very well with my system of reality, so it works fine ^^~

I look forward to clarification as to who this character is :P~ My guess is a bit presumptuous, so I'd rather not voice it ^^~
XD
~Tal


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Astraea wrote:
Talon- thank you for your kind words. I am trying to move on but its hard. :sadyes:
So much has happened in just 2 days. Seriously so much my brain is hurting.
First of all I have 3 new characters (I think my subconcious is throwing me characters to ease the loss of Alice.)
so I will introduce them. First theres Carma the black panther I talked about last time. Shes calmer than I expected and sort of just follows me around Arveya pretty scilently though we can talk through minds.
Then came a brother and sister. I was sitting on my bus home 2 nights ago and they walked on sat in front off me and we chatted.
Theres Felicia Oswald who is 15 loud, cheerful , and very bossy
I also have Emanuel Oswald her older brother who is 17 shy quiet and sweet. Him and Felicia look so alike. Plus they are both very good at aiding me in LDs I had like a 10 second one last night |)
Plus Arveya is coming along nicely.
Thats all for now (sorry for the long post)


:3 That's not a long post at all, not to worry!
I am happy to hear of these new characters, but still sad to know of your stress-- I know exactly what you mean.. It must be very much of a flood.
They sound very nice, and I hope everything settles down soon!
It seems as though Arveya will be a very detailed, nice place... :3 I hope you describe it to us someday! :D

Hoping for your peace of mind--
~Tal


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Re: CALD is for cazy people
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Astraea wrote:
yohanover wrote:
I don't understand CALD what so ever. You people with "characters" act like they are actually alive! Can someone explain this "CALD" in simple terms?

<mod>I merged this with the CALD topic. Also, the pathways to lucidity forum is the right place to post questions about techniwues. 8) </mod>


CALD (character assisted lucid dreaming) is a LD technique that Talon created :yes:
You use one or more DCs or consciously created characters to help you LD.
Im sure Talon could explain it better...


haha, simple--but yes :3 I'll try my hand at it-- XD But you explained it well :3 Thank you Astraea...


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Re: CALD is for cazy people
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yohanover wrote:
I don't understand CALD what so ever. You people with "characters" act like they are actually alive! Can someone explain this "CALD" in simple terms?

<mod>I merged this with the CALD topic. Also, the pathways to lucidity forum is the right place to post questions about techniwues. 8) </mod>


Ouch-- I can't help but be a bit hurt for the subject title-- And I assure you this isn't the case. :P
I try to stress this point-- almost to a severe point, for all those coming to observe CALD:

Clear outlines must be set for the perception of the characters' existances-- Blurring of your sense of reality is not acceptable. Characters are completely incapable of gaining a physical form-- and thus are on a completely different plane of reality-- They are not of our own reality, and never will be-- this should be clear in your mind while working with CALD.

XD~ So-- Now that I got that done... (sorry, I really needed to stress this so it stopped a bit of confusion for others.)

The characters are either made consciously while you're awake-- and brought to a level of realism in their mannerisms and actions, or are retrieved DCs from dreams...
The goal is to have them help you go Lucid-- And by extention, convincing yourself to go lucid, since they are completely contained within yourself.
But by taking a third person perspective, this is easier-- and besides that, the characters provide benefits past just the lucid-concept.
:D I have tutorials up in part one of the thread for both of these~! :3

I can see your concern-- But treating the characters realistically is part of getting their personalities to become independant, and makes it easier to have them automatically follow through with their actions. Think of it as a kind of auto-suggestion :3.

I know my answer wasn't exactly simple-- but CALD isn't a simple technique... It's quite automatic after you figure out how it works, Though ^^~.

While I know the method isn't right for everyone, it works wonders for some people who try it ^^~ It's beneficial as long as people keep clear, and strong lines for their sense of reality. :3 Blurring isn't acceptable-- but this doesn't seem to be too much of a problem for people who post here-- they all show an understanding that these characters are created by them... And it's all in good fun ^^~ It's just like being more involved with a character you make for roleplaying-- :P

So in summary: Make realistic characters, or take DCs from dreams, and have them get you lucid-- by extention, convince your mind to let you become lucid with a help of something you've made yourself.

But, CALD isn't for 'crazy' people-- no one here has shown that tendency ^^;~ I admit, though, you have to have a very maluable kind of thinking to get used to it-- or be conditioned to it before (roleplaying or writing stories).

I hope that addressed your concerns @___a If it didn't, please feel free to post again~! :D

Tiredly yours... @___a ( and a bit disheartened)
~Tal


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Am I too...Just too much?
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Eep--
I feel bad, I am mis-representing CALD, and giving the technique a bad front-- It seems to work for me and others... But maybe I should take it down? If it concerns people on the forum, maybe it's best it was closed-- ...And if I bother people then maybe I should take a step away from LD4ALL. *teary*.

What do you guys think? I don't want the people who want to use CALD to be labeled just because of the tech... ;-; And I don't want to continue to portray this technique if it offends or concerns others-- that's just not respecting the people of this forum!

Ah...
;-;
Tal


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

CALD for me though has given me more of an open mind, Even if it hasn't been succesful much towards me. When I first saw this, I just thought it was something silly, Like a previous DC and trying to summom him to help you LD. But then the creation of imaginary characters baffled me even more, rather confusing for me at first . But since i've created my own charactesr and they have sometimes slightly spoke. It really has opened my mind up to possibilitys. Before, when people say about Imaginary characters, I thought they were just joking. Now that I've actually read about all this, it really makes sense.

if you do decide to leave, at least try and bring the idea of Characters to other places on the internet, it has its own benefits and not many people know of such things.



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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

altheman9993 wrote:
CALD for me though has given me more of an open mind, Even if it hasn't been succesful much towards me. When I first saw this, I just thought it was something silly, Like a previous DC and trying to summom him to help you LD. But then the creation of imaginary characters baffled me even more, rather confusing for me at first ;p . But since i've created my own charactesr and they have sometimes slightly spoke. It really has opened my mind up to possibilitys. Before, when people say about Imaginary characters, I thought they were just joking. Now that I've actually read about all this, it really makes sense.

if you do decide to leave, at least try and bring the idea of Characters to other places on the internet, it has its own benefits and not many people know of such things.


Hmmm *smile* :3~
Thanks for posting this-- I'm glad that you've gained something from all of this-- I'm happy for it... :3
If i left, it would be because of this-- I don't think I would want to spread it around where it could be misunderstood any further--
But... I don't know. I really love LD4ALL, Maybe I would just stay away from CALD-- or, try and wipe my slate clean or...

*sigh* I hope it's more beneficial then damaging... But i won't regret making this thread. If it has benefited at least one person-- and people have told me it has, then it's worth it.

Thanks Al, I'm glad you replied here... ^^
~Tal


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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

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CALD is for cazy people

A random passerby might say much the same of LDing. "You say it's possible to remain conscious while asleep and control your dreams? Dude, you're nuts!"

Not trying to put down CALD or LDing here, but you've got to expect the occasional skeptic here and there. Just take a look at all the positive experiences people have had with this technique, and how few (none that I know of) have had deleterious experiences with it.

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And if I bother people then maybe I should take a step away from LD4ALL. *teary*.

eek2 Where did that come from? eh


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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Mecha wrote:
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CALD is for cazy people

A random passerby might say much the same of LDing. "You say it's possible to remain conscious while asleep and control your dreams? Dude, you're nuts!"

Not trying to put down CALD or LDing here, but you've got to expect the occasional skeptic here and there. Just take a look at all the positive experiences people have had with this technique, and how few (none that I know of) have had deleterious experiences with it.

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And if I bother people then maybe I should take a step away from LD4ALL. *teary*.

:eek: Where did that come from? :????:


Wee... ;-; Sorry, I must be paranoid-- For every post we see, there are more people who don't bother posting that same idea.
I guess I'll have to handle skeptics :P
You're very logical about this-- I should've taken the same route... People have experienced more gain than loss at this point-- I'll go with that ^^~

Thanks Mecha :D
~Tal


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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Yo, TA, a while back I posted on this topic saying that I was going to try this and that I had just finished creating my dreamscape. As soon as I was done some kind of char or something appeared in my dreamscape that looked like gaara. Anyways, he was a dark char and started trying to influence/harass me, and would appear whenever I tried to meditate. Eventually I got tired of him and had to get rid of him. The night that I did, I had nightmares such as a cute little puppy morphing into a vicious dog with sharp teeth and blood red eyes and trying to attack me. That passed, thanks to one of my other char.s, but leaves me with two questions: 1) How do you think this guy appeared? 2)How do I prevent this from happening again?

To the first question, my dad said it might be that I accidentally let something else in when I chose to grab a DC rather than completely form my own char from scratch.

What do you think?


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