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Vagabondage
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

MovieMe wrote:
You can clearly see the difference between normal "daydreaming" images and HI. You can't for example focus on a certain part of a daydream image without messing up the rest, like if you'd daydream about a car you can't focus on the tire without making the rest disappear. When I see HI I can focus on whichever part of the image I want without messing anything up.

I bet you've had HI many times, but you just need to know what it is you're looking for.

I know I've experienced it before, but it often is during times when I am not even attempting to WILD... For example, one night when I closed my eyes and started falling asleep, I felt like I was riding my bike and my friend was with me as we rode through the neighborhood (it wasn't vivid, but a bit blurry). But, when I realised it actually was HI, I was brought back to my waking state.

I just don't know how to allow HI when I do try to WILD.


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Every person experience the SP and HI phase differently, some even skip the HI staright into LD (It happend to me several times).
As for what people see when they finaly in a LD, again, it differs from person to person, when I finish WILD I find myself sometimes in a small regular white room or wandering outside, once I found myself in a holodeck which was pretty cool.
About the other post, if your eyes are closed you will see them like something between seeing them for real like daydreaming but also like you are actualy imaginating them in your mind, it hard to explain, the best is the combination of this two.
And about the mind wandering, when I WILD it like my mind is racing in crazy speeds as I feel an extremly huge amounts of information and sounds stream in my mind, and it is some sort of wandering but I try to focus on one of those thoughts or sounds and then it works.

About allowing the HI, there is nothing actualy to allow, they may help you find something to focus on, but you should not bother about allowing them, just continue to do what you usualy do when you try to WILD and try to ignore them until you feel you actualy about to fully dream.


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

exshade wrote:
try to ignore them until you feel you actualy about to fully dream.

Can you explain what that feels like?


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Hmm, the best word to describe it is taken from the site's guide, knowingness, you have a very strange feeling that you are aware to yourself, but disconnected from yourself at the same time, you feel yourself lying in your bed yet your mind feels somewhere else, you know that you can reach out for your dream, this moment is the peak of HI, the visions seem to come from your dream rather then from reality, this is almost the exact feeling of waking up in the middle of a really intensive dream, you are awake but your mind still think for a few seconds that he is actualy in the dream and after that your awarness goes to the reality, only vice-versa in WILD, you are awake but your mind is already dreaming and after a few seconds your awareness will move to the dream.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

I've never gotten that far then... cry

Haha... I haven't been able to sleep for the past three nights. eek2


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Don't try too hard or else you won't get any results, you need something light to focus your mind on, you want to fall asleep so don't focus on something too difficult, a constant sound is always a good choice (like a fan or something), or focusing on your breathing (a common mistake - people tend to breath heavily and deeply when they WILD as if they were meditating, just breath like you usualy do, the same rate and "power" and keep like this

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

exshade wrote:
Don't try too hard or else you won't get any results, you need something light to focus your mind on, you want to fall asleep so don't focus on something too difficult, a constant sound is always a good choice (like a fan or something), or focusing on your breathing (a common mistake - people tend to breath heavily and deeply when they WILD as if they were meditating, just breath like you usualy do, the same rate and "power" and keep like this

I always sleep with a fan on...
but I breathe deeply... <__< Maybe that's the problem.

On occasion, I take a big sigh every now and then... I wonder if that's affecting anything as well.


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

If you usualy breath deeply then it not a problem, just breath like this when you WILD and it will be fine, but if not, try to figure the natural rythm of your breathing and recreate it so you can focus on it.
If you choose to focus on the fan, focus only on the sound, without any thought about it, just the sound, imagine the sound in your had in sync with the real sound, this is the best focus you can give to it.


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

exshade wrote:
If you usualy breath deeply then it not a problem, just breath like this when you WILD and it will be fine, but if not, try to figure the natural rythm of your breathing and recreate it so you can focus on it.
If you choose to focus on the fan, focus only on the sound, without any thought about it, just the sound, imagine the sound in your had in sync with the real sound, this is the best focus you can give to it.

The sound in my head???

There are no sounds in my head. whatsthat


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Lucky for you smile
But I didn't mean *those* kind of sounds that tell you creepy stuff XD.
Just think about the sound itself, that the meaning, give your attention to it.
Focus on the sound so you can hear it like you hear your own thoughts, that the highest level of focusing on a sound.


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

exshade wrote:
Just think about the sound itself, that the meaning, give your attention to it.
Focus on the sound so you can hear it like you hear your own thoughts, that the highest level of focusing on a sound.

I'm sorry I'm still confused. whatsthat


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

altheman9993 wrote:
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_develop...y/anchor ing.htm


Could you send the full link, please ? I can't figure out where to find it in their main page. Thanks !


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Rotten Apples wrote:
exshade wrote:
Just think about the sound itself, that the meaning, give your attention to it.
Focus on the sound so you can hear it like you hear your own thoughts, that the highest level of focusing on a sound.

I'm sorry I'm still confused. whatsthat

Yeah, it realy hard to understand (and even harder to explain), without all those complicated information about focusing, it sums in this - just hear the sound of the fan, just like when some people are talking near you, you decide to which one you listen and then you can't understand what the other people are talking about, the same thing goes here.
If you still don't understand just say, it realy hard to get it right because all of this is very abstract.


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PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Ok... So now, I wake myself up at 2am to attempt a combination of WBTB and WILD - of which I've heard is a very powerful technique from multiple members on the forum - but my problem is that I am too tired to focus... My motivation also seems to drop and I just want to sleep...

Before I attempt anything after I wake up, should I jump out of bed and walk around for a few minutes? Do you think it might help me bring my motivation back up?

EDIT: I also swallow a lot... (I blame my past experience with braces) Do any of you think that might be affecting anything?


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PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

i know what you mean rotten smile when i come home from college i try WILD, i go on pc for a bit on here, talk a little. and them take off my socks and try it.. But it never works tounge2

i always wonder, am i losing concentration when i open my eyes.. orrr if i hear another sound like my mum coughing, or if i sniff, or somone.

Urgh, i'm just confused about what im doing..


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