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Bones
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PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Off topic a little.
Last night I tried a WBTB and WILD combination.
I woke up, ate a banana in bed and then went to the bathroom and then walked around my room for a couple of minutes. A total of about 15 minutes awake. Is that too short for a WBTB?

I too am having trouble with the WILD.
I either lose concentration, or I get to 100 and then don't know what to do.
Should I just keep counting past 100?


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PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Bones, try doing the method FILD/HILD they're the same thing really. http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20409

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

kT4all wrote:
Bones, try doing the method FILD/HILD they're the same thing really. http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20409


Thank you very much, that seems to click with me a lot better.
I will try that one tonight.
Just to clarify, you start that technique after you wake up (hopefully) at one of your REM cycles?

Edit: After re-reading it, I think I get it now.


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PostPosted: Wed 05 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Rotten Apples wrote:
Ok... So now, I wake myself up at 2am to attempt a combination of WBTB and WILD - of which I've heard is a very powerful technique from multiple members on the forum - but my problem is that I am too tired to focus... My motivation also seems to drop and I just want to sleep...

Before I attempt anything after I wake up, should I jump out of bed and walk around for a few minutes? Do you think it might help me bring my motivation back up?

EDIT: I also swallow a lot... (I blame my past experience with braces) Do any of you think that might be affecting anything?


WBTB works for some people, but not for me, the fact that I'm fully awake prevents me from falling asleep when I do WILD, it becomes as hard as trying WILD at the beginning of the night.
I usualy don't do anything, I just stay in bed, organizing my mind a little and then focus on something.
As for the motivation, you are falling asleep! a few more seconds of concentration is the barrier between a normal dream and a quality LD, the fact that you can't be too aware to fall asleep, and you will sleep very soon no matter what means that you won't even have to focus on HI, it will skip all the SP/HH/HI feelings and you will be almost instantly in your LD.
I think it more than enough motivation to focus for those few seconds.

About the swallowing, yeah, it might affect everything if you are too aware, because it disrupting, luckily if you are tired enough like you said it won't affect it.
Or you can take it to your advantage, if you swallow at constant intervals, you might want to count each one instead of you breathing, every swallow is the next number plus the "I'm dreaming" or every other sentence you choose.


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PostPosted: Wed 05 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

It's not so much remembering how easy it would be to WILD at that point.

It's just concentrating on something... even simple things, that my brain just says "Guhhhh... too tired. I stop focusing now. ZZZZZZZ."

I'm really asking if it would be better for me to get up and walk around before attempting WILD + WBTB


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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

i dont know? i think it would be a good idea because it will probably get you more motivated. i find if i wake up in the middle of tthe night i cant be bothered to try wbtb but if i get out of bed for 10 - 20 minutes then i feel more awake and i get motivated. i am trying to do wild at the moment. last nite i felt my body vibrating when i concentrated on it but then i think i woke up. i can remember that but not much after it. do you think i entered full SP or not as i cant seem to remember?

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

well, i think we're not all the same, so methods which work for some of us, don't have to work for the others, too wink5.

my problem is neither being motivated, nor not being able to fall asleep, but the time... i tried WBTB, then i used MILD telling me, i will remember my dream and then i laid there for 30 minutes at least, counted 100 upwards, downwards and upwards again and pretty slow...
i heard the bell of a church nearby, so i know almost exactly, how long i kept myself asleep, but there were no lights or any hallucinations, or even SP, i was just very tired, but couldn't get a lucid dream... maybe lack of experience, who knows... but it would be good to know


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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Okay. I've completely given up on WILD now...

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep, 2007  Reply with quote

Rotten Apples wrote:
Okay. I've completely given up on WILD now...


Try doing FILD


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