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RxQueen
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the POINT of LDing
PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

<mod>moved from lucid adventures to gen lucidness since it is a general discussion on LDing moogle </mod>

i have been wondering what everyones opinion on lucid dreaming is, and what it does for you.
mainly because ive been thinking about what it is for me, and what reasons i am not reaching a LD.
let me explain a bit... at first i thought the idea of a lucid dream would be amazing, you can do whatever you want!...then i quickly realized that i DONT want everything that i want.
you get?
its like, i am happy with my dreams being unpredictable, new people ive never met... strange situations... i basically favor the unpredictability of dreams, compared to RL where i am in control of my own life.
i do not wish for control.

my question is, is the desire to LD the desire for control?


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

For me, its the desire to do things i will never have the chance to do, to see places i never will IWL , and its a lot of fun too. I want to learn about myself and I have a lot of expreiments in mind that i want to test etc... etc...


Current LD goal(s): Talking to dream people
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

1. Doing all the stuff I can't do IRL, fly, transform and so on.
2. Exploring my mind smile


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

Until lucid dreaming was discovered, people wouldn't know what dreaming was all about!!
But now, we can witness the wonders of our imagination in real time!!
And THAT is the point of lucid dreaming according to me.


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

thats cool, i can see that LDing has different meaning to everyone.
although, i still think that NDing has the same effect, i see different things and places... i learn things about myself the same way i would in a LD but in a ND.
its still just as great of an experience to me, only because in the LD's that ive had, i went wherever i wanted to go, do whatever i wanted to do, and it was all so "blah" because i could do anything i wanted, the novelty wore off fast... there wasnt anything new, and different. its like looking at a blank page, and creating what ever you want on it with pencils. but in a ND its already there for you to explore...
anyone know what i mean?


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

If you got bored of LDs you got bored of life too amirite?


Current LD goal(s): Talking to dream people
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

not necessarily, i enjoy not being in control of other people and weather, and what is going on in the world. that is unpredictable...

could that mean that RL is similar to both LD's and ND's at the same time? in a sense it kind of is


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

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my question is, is the desire to LD the desire for control?

Maybe, (for me anyway.) I don't like to control DC's because I like talking to them like real people, they're interesting. I like letting the dream run its own "plot" and kind of going along with it, like a character in a book. However, I LOVE controling stuff like the weather, what time of day it is, (like day or night,) stopping time, changing the colors of the sky, stuff like that. But I don't create buildings and stuff just to destroy them like my brother does. *laughs* I also love to use powers of any sort and am always looking to master more. For example, I really want to master fire because right now I suck at it, I want control of that element badly. Why? Because I don't have it yet, so I want it. I want to eventually be able to use any power at any given moment, without screwing up. So yeah, I guess it is the desire for control for me. (That, and it's just plain fun to do stuff you can't do in real life, Mwahahahahaha! grin )


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

Iteresting perspective you have. I'm not so much for the total control thing, I want to be able to do things, fantastic things, but I don't care much about controlling DCs. You can basically go through a lucid dream and not control anything at all anyway. Lucid dreamin is not about control, it's about consiousness. Am I to take it that your normal dreams are extremely vivid? Because lucidity is also associated with vividity, this I think is reason enough to pursue them.
You can't possibly exhaust the possibilities of lucid dreams. There is always something to explore, and they are unpredictable just like normal dreams. I enjoy all this much much more if I am lucid at the time it's happening. The state of consciousness itself is marvellous, I don't have to do anything, just look. Ofcourse I can't stay still. Then there is the complete sense of freedom that is never felt in the waking state. Those are soem of the reasons why I am into lucid dreaming.


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

There happen to be two reasons for me:

1. Fun, mainly. Being able to steal a car and speed down the road at 100 MPH and then jump out and fly away is nothing short of awesome.
2. Spirituality, if I have the time. More of an exploring yourself thing, not "what is the meaning of life thing", unless the two coincide.


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

LDs aren't a big deal to me any more.

I'd much rather have NDs as they are much more fun to me. Sure it's nice to know that if I want to I can take control and perhaps try something new, or complete a specific quest.

But I like the randomness and excitement of following a storyline that my subconscious gives me, so regular dreams are much more fun to me, particularly when they are nightmares the rush of fear I get in nightmares is unparalleled by anything I have experienced in an LD.


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

I dont believe LDing is mainly a desire for control. Sure, that is the main way that people thing of LDing, but the actual definition of LDing is becoming aware of being in a dream. In general it is just a way of becoming more aware of what is going on around you. For me personally, it is mostly just a way to have a whole lot of fun, but that doesnt have to be the case.

Also, in specific response to your preferring the unpredictability of NDs; you can have that in LDs too! You can continue to let the dream take its own course even after you become lucid. If anything, you could use your newly gained lucidity to make the experience even better, such as by making the dream more vivid. You could also take a more direct approach and try to create something random or go through a door with the intention of appearing in a place of your subconscious's choice.

The possibilities are endless and I dont think you can narrow the point behind LDing down to just a desire for control.


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

As for us, we would rather experience the random majesty of dreams while still in them instead of merely remembering them when we wake up. LD's are just as random as ND's most of the time, unless you make it otherwise. It's all about awareness, not control, although the ability to control does follow awareness.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

Mohegan wrote:
LDs aren't a big deal to me any more.

I'd much rather have NDs as they are much more fun to me. Sure it's nice to know that if I want to I can take control and perhaps try something new, or complete a specific quest.

But I like the randomness and excitement of following a storyline that my subconscious gives me, so regular dreams are much more fun to me, particularly when they are nightmares the rush of fear I get in nightmares is unparalleled by anything I have experienced in an LD.


this is kind of where im a too.
because when i become lucid, its as if everything stops and waits for me to do something... and if i dont do anything then i wake up.
i cant just expect my LD to show me something "random" without me actually coming up with the idea first, which to me isnt random at all.
its like me thinking in my LD "okay, im going to open this door and let my subconscious take me wherever it wants!" then i open the door and wake up...since i didnt think up an idea of where the door should lead me.
thats the only reason why it seems less likely that a LD can be unpredictable.
when i say "control" that is what people are doing when they say they do it "to have fun" or "to learn more about myself" ...isnt this still control? you are controlling your dream to do these things, right?


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov, 2007  Reply with quote

Mecha wrote:
we would rather experience the random majesty of dreams while still in them instead of merely remembering them when we wake up.


you put it perfectly!


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