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| Faking REM (?!) |
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Last night.. first time going to bed, okay?
I'm laying there not feeling particularly tired. I relax as relaxed I can be for quite some time.
There was an entry by somebody else that said in so many words, you can feint the body into SP by mimicking the random, jumpy thought pattern that occurs in this state.
I've always tried entering SP by just going to bed at night... it never happened, but I've come close... a strange sensation would wash over me, heart rate soared, etc, etc...
So I did two things.. I feigned the thought pattern AND I moved my eyes around rapidly.. not too rapidly, but like I would if I were looking around in a dream.
It was only a matter of minutes before that unusual sensation took me. It was SO SUDDEN, considering how not-tired I was. This wasn't wishful thinking, either. This was the full-blown sensation of a quick and hard-hitting transition.
Anyone else tried this?
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| Posted: Sun 25 Nov, 2007 |
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I tried it once, with the thoughts only as a trick to get tired. You see, I always have those jumpy thoughts when tired. So I thought it could work the other way around. Worked well first time, much less good second. Ill try that tonight with the Eyes, see how it goes.
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| Posted: Sun 25 Nov, 2007 |
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So what you did was just move your eyes around rapidly like you would in R.E.M sleep? I never thought of doing that. I'll try it sometime. I've heard that a way to get the body to go to sleep was to lay perfectly still for 20 minutes and your mind would think that your body is asleep so your mind will too.
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| Posted: Sun 25 Nov, 2007 |
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So what you did was just move your eyes around rapidly like you would in R.E.M sleep? |
Exactly. Not too artificially... like I were looking around the dream environment. Just wiggling them around for the sake of it gets tiresome.
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| Posted: Sun 25 Nov, 2007 |
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I'm not sure if I moved my eyes really. But I did this thing. I imagined that I was looking at 4 points in sequence. The corners of a diamond shape laying on its side. I just sort of happened to do it. It felt right. I was already pretty relaxed and all that, but this seemed to bring me closer to sleep. I wondered if I was moving my eyes. And I know I did a few times. But I tried to only move my awareness of the points.
I thought about this same thing that perhaps I was entraining my mind to start REM sleep.
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| Posted: Sun 25 Nov, 2007 |
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I've already read this "faking REM" technique in a Christian Bouchet's text but I never had seen it confirmed or tested by anybody until today.
Curiously, one people on the french forum just tried it tonight with success (we were talking yesterday about moving randomly eyes as a prolonging technique and he decided to try it rather as an induction technique), so that two topics about this very technique were posted the same day. 
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| Posted: Mon 26 Nov, 2007 |
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| Basilus West wrote: |
I've already read this "faking REM" technique in a Christian Bouchet's text but I never had seen it confirmed or tested by anybody until today.
Curiously, one people on the french forum just tried it tonight with success (we were talking yesterday about moving randomly eyes as a prolonging technique and he decided to try it rather as an induction technique), so that two topics about this very technique were posted the same day. |
That's AWESOME.. it was just a random idea that crossed my mind that night.
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I was wondering... shouldn't eyes be pointing far up in the stages just before REM? I was trying this yesterday night and had no results until I sent my eyes up there... then the transition hit (felt like a light electric shock, heart rush and all and as alwais I got excited lost it and went fully awake)
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| Posted: Mon 26 Nov, 2007 |
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Even though it is mere hallucinations, why on Earth would you guys want to purposely put yourselves through SP? Especially when you can take it easy and perform WILD/MILD. In my opinion, WILD is hard enough to enter a LD. =/
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| Posted: Tue 27 Nov, 2007 |
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I'm going to try this, so all you do is kind of rapidly,but not strong enough to keep your body awake like your looking at 4 corners of a room almost, also does anybody think that when you WILD before bed that you should also try WBTB so you can try to WILD twice for better results because i haven't done WBTB in a while because of school and laziness.
Current LD goal(s): Kill a giant snail monster with an arrow covered in salt
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| Posted: Tue 27 Nov, 2007 |
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I was wondering... shouldn't eyes be pointing far up in the stages just before REM? I was trying this yesterday night and had no results until I sent my eyes up there... then the transition hit (felt like a light electric shock, heart rush and all and as alwais I got excited lost it and went fully awake) |
So what you are saying is that we should do this in the late night and do WBTB? I'm confused when you said "I sent my eyes up there..."
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| Posted: Wed 28 Nov, 2007 |
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Even though it is mere hallucinations, why on Earth would you guys want to purposely put yourselves through SP? Especially when you can take it easy and perform WILD/MILD. In my opinion, WILD is hard enough to enter a LD. =/ |
Just for the sheer ego rush of leaping that particularly high hurdle. >
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| Posted: Wed 28 Nov, 2007 |
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Ugh. I never did try this yet. I will do it soon ok? Should I do this with WBTB?
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| Posted: Wed 28 Nov, 2007 |
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Ugh. I never did try this yet. I will do it soon ok? Should I do this with WBTB?"
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I got to do an accidental WBTB this morning and I TRIED it... but if it made a difference or not, I can't say... I entered the cusp of SP but didn't successfully enter a LD.
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| Posted: Wed 28 Nov, 2007 |
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I tryed this last night. Went to bed, I was very comfortable (I have hot water bottles  ), I had slight HI, random stuff appearing in my head (Things like heads just appearing). I remember reading this, and began to move my eyes in syncrohnised movement to the scenes playing in my head. about 10 seconds in, Lots of strange feelings were happening on my body. It wasn't sp, just lots of vibrations. Next thing, my throat went really weird, I found it really hard to breath as though i was sufficating (as though I Really needed to swallow whatever it was in my throat). When I swallowed, everything just stopped.
What I believe happend was that my mind was testing to see if I was asleep, see if I would react to it.
I might try again.
Current LD goal(s): Short term goal: Practise WILD. Long term goal: Achieve lucidity at will.
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