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Bones
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

If this project gets put into production, I would most likely buy one, pending cost.

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

hm, I wonder why I didnt get an email about replies to this topic*shrugs*. Anyways, I personally dont have any plans on mass-producing it, copyrighting it, or even really selling it. Im just a 17yr old kid goofing around with a cool idea. BUT, you are correct in saying that I plan on making a How-to for it so that others can build one of their own. So far it has come along quite well considering I have spent $0 so far, lol, (YAY for salvaging old parts!). I do have a site already put up of some progress photos, some code, and schematics, etc. I guess Ill put it up on here, Im not really sure if Im allowed to; if not then mods just let me know or just go ahead and remove it and Ill PM the link to anyone who wants it. LINK

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

Just wanted to say that I am intrigued!

<-- potential customer

Good luck with it.


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

Well, development of the prototype is complete; time for the testing to begin. Ill also of course get to work putting up some accurate schematics/code and hopefully a how-to. The device seems to work but I still need to do some tests to determine battery life and timing accuracy. Unfortunately it does seem to be a little loud to me :-( BUT since you can adjust the alert length down to as little as 1sec, it is unlikely anyone would really notice/get u in trouble in school (esp if you put it on your ankle...maybe inside a sock?)

Ill try to put up more stuff if anyone is interested, maybe record a small video showing the device going through its modes. Please let me know if you are/arent interested, because if no one is interested in these little updates I dont want to keep bumping this topic with them.


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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

Definately interested. Keep updating, and let us know when you get a more accurate schematics up. Sounds like a really good idea.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

pleas keep updating
although i don t know how i will build it
maybe i will get a frend of mine to build it for me if it
dosent take to much time and effort
(but i will definately get that watch)
and if it is hard to build i will try to make a program for my mobile phone...
that shoulden t be very hard(i have a softwear for programing my mobile phone
i dont know much about it but i think i can make something)
i will make it so that i can set the duration of the alarm
and when the alarm should go on (periodicaly).
it wont make noise(when on vibration) during the day when i am in school
and when i go to sleep i will attach it somehow to my arm :D
and regulate the strenght of the vibration with a thin sponge
(i dont know the english term for that sponge if it even exists...
because my mother tongue is croatian)
i dont know how to programe or build anything :D but now i am strongly motivated
maby i even learn something because i know someone who could
learn me how to build it and programe my mobile phone.
i will be happy if i make this with the mobile phone in a few months or if it works
because it seems to me very stupid...but it vibrates so it should be good

or i should go in the sex shop by a vibrator with a timer or build one in it...
to bad i am not a woman (even if i look as one)on the bright side
i just invented a lucid sex machine :D...
nimfos that like lucidnes will worship me all over the world
the only bad side in it is that it is not very practical i mean getting aroused every 40minutes
i am very interested in this method because im to lazy to do any other


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

Yes, this device is deffinately for the lazy. its one of the many reasons I came up with the idea. I have been away for Chrimbo and have just got back, so i'm a little out of the loop. But I will be PM 'ing rarebreed soon. nice to see it coming along nicely though.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I was searching for a vibraLite 3, and came across the vibraLite 8. I'm pretty sure that this one has a 5 second alarm instead of a 20 second alarm. I ordered one and it should be here on Monday. I'll post to let you guys know what the alarm count is on it. I'm really eager to try this technique.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

So, good news, I just got the VibraLITE 8 and it DOES have only a 5 second alarm on the Timer. And it restarts... so it should be what you are looking for, except it's $70. I'm excited to try it out now.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Wow, that is fantastic.

Ive never found the vibrlite 8. It sounds like it will work a treat.

I have stopped using the vibralite 3 for now, as it continued waking me up. I have been waiting for rarebreeds talents in developing a device.
He has been successful, but more testing is needed, he informs me, it is also a little chunky.
The only problem, is that making one for ourselves. Even with rarebreeds guidance, especially software programming, it will be very difficult for most of us. (including me)

Please keep us all up to date with your testing with the vibrlite 8. I'm hoping for great results.

You know, you may well have found the answer to guaranteed LDing. I know i keep saying this, but the technique just makes so much sense, and so much easier than any other.

It will require very little effort and (hopefully) have great results.


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I've just checked out the vibralite 8 on a website, and it looks like it could deffinately do the job.

The other downside of the 8, other than the 20 sec alarm, was the force of the vibration. But this could always be dampened with a small piece of foam, just tucked between the watch and your wrist.

Anyway, good luck with it. Let us know of your results. I have a feeling i may be buying one too.


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

alright, I think Ill finally make myself begin the testing phase. One of the main reasons I had been putting it off was because Ive been working on a separate project that also uses the same kind of chips and is related to LDs. I had hoped to do some upgrades to the watch before I began testing. The good news about me doing some other work first is that whenever I get around to upgrading the watch, I now know some tricks thatll allow me to implement things like controlling how strong vibration is.

OK, so on to the testing procedures. I am planning on using the settings of 3seconds vibalarm and have it go off at a rate of every 30min. Im thinking of doing it so often so that itll be drilled into my head. Another reason for the frequency is Im not planning on using it at all while Im at school, in order to avoid trouble. I may decide to increase the alarm lengths when I go to bed. Since the device is currently bulkier than Id like, Im going to have it in my pocket during the day and probably slip it in a sock on one foot while I sleep. Ill post every day on the results and any changes in the procedures.

Interesting note: the few times I have tried it out Ive found Ive ended up doing even more RCs than it reminds me to do. What happens is I get anxious wondering why the alarm hasnt gone off and then end up thinking about LDing and doing an RC.

P.S. I do hope the vib8 works for you, I made my device for free though, so I dont think Ill be buying one anytime soon. Ill try my best to get a tutorial up once Ive finalized the device and if testing proves beneficial. I really would love to make some for people or create kits or something, but Im kinda a full-time student and will be going off to college soon. Ill keep my mind thinking about ways of making it more accessible to people though.


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I'll keep you guys updated. Last night I couldn't sleep and stayed up all night, so hopefully tonight. I've been doing vibrating RC's all today and yesterday, so hopefully I'm used to it now. I would have to agree with Jayster, it just seems so easy it must work, hopefully we're correct.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I would just like to point out that I created a graph from reading Stephen LaBerge's book. In the section on the dream cycle.

I don't have the graph any more, but i could knock another one up if anyone wants to see it.

From this graph I worked out that the alarm should be set to go off around every 42 mins. With this setting, there is a higher percentage of the alarm going off during a number of REM cycles, rather than a Delta cycle (where you do not dream).
There is no point of the alarm going off during any other phase of sleep other than in the REM phase. Of course, everyone is a little different and may wish to experiment with the times of the alarm. But I would try using one setting for at least a week before changing it.

For example, you do not dream for at least the first 90 min of sleep. Therefore, if you set the alarm for 30 min, it will go off at least twice without hitting a REM cycle, and if you're unlucky a third time just before you go into REM.
If you set it for 42 min, the second alarm will go off in 84 mins. Now, yes, it may miss the first REM cycle, but depending on the individual, may hit.
I very much doubt though, that a setting of 30 min will hit the first REM cycle with the second alarm. That would only be 1 hour of sleep. And if you are the kind of person who goes into REM after 75 to 80 min of sleep. Again, the 3rd 30 min alarm will miss, where as the 42 min setting will not.

The first REM last for roughly 10 mins, you then go back into Delta.
The second Delta phase last around 60 to 90 mins. Then back into REM, which may last 15 mins.

So roughly the second REM cycle will come about roughly 160 to 190 min of sleep.
The 30 min setting should hit this cycle. Unless, the individual REMs at the 160th min, and it last for only 15 mins, in which case the fourth alarm will miss.
Where as with the 42 min setting, there is a much higher chance of it hitting the second REM cycle.

These are of course only calculated guesses, but I did create a very detailed graph, with various alarm settings and the 42min one came out on top as a higher chance of hitting REM cycles, in some REM cycles it may go off twice, the longer you sleep.

Dont take my word for it though, I'm just sharing my workings and theories. Its always best to experiment and test ideas.

Try not get too anxious during the day whilst wearing it. It may be counter productive. Just try to ignore it being there, just think, if it doesn't go off, then it doesn't go off. Just dont worry about it. When and if it does, do a RC and continue with your day. Almost ignore it being there, and dont expect a vibration. It has to become routine and automatic.
Dont forget though, when you do a RC ask yourself at the same time, 'Is this a dream' Its a much more direct question that,'am I dreaming'.

'Is this a dream.' Do not throw this question away and answer it too quickly, you must think about it. Really think about. Be certain that it is not a dream.
If you dont really think about and say well of course its not a dream, your dream self may do exactly that when you are actually dreaming and you wont become Lucid.


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

hm, ok. I think Ill go ahead and bump up the intervals to 40min then...or I could program it for the 42minutes, but it isnt that accurate anyways and maybe I sleep different.

The main reasons I havent posted any results are: 1: been wearing it/sticking it in my pocket infrequently. 2:couldnt figure out a good way to sleep with it, so I havent been wearing it to bed. 3: bad dream recall :-(

BUT, I will try my best to fix all those problems. Maybe Ill redesign it soon so Ill be more likely to actually wear it places. Either way, I think Ill call tonight "Night 1" for this experiment and just stick it in my pocket for now/tie it to my wrist at night. oh, and change the setting to 40min.

P.S. I can deffinitely see how the 20sec alarm could be a problem, I have it on 3sec and sometimes that seems way too long.


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