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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Night 1: Bad dream recall; tied device to my wrist; woke me up maybe 3-4 times

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I think that this technique has a lot of potential, and I really hope it comes to fruition.

It really seems like it's almost perfect as far as using an outside object goes. There are few flaws I can think of, unlike the lucid mask I made. That had many a flaw, impossible to sleep with for one.

I wrote a few more reasons on my blog why I think this will be better then the nova dreamer knock off, or potentially even the nova dreamer.

http://dailydeluge.com/2008/01/15/vwild-vibrating-wat ch-induced-lucid-dream /

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

It is good in theory, madhatter.

so, Night2: I remembered my dreams better; it still woke me up sometimes(I guess I should find a way to dim the motor); I didnt become lucid....but I did have an instance in a dream where a swarm of bees wrapped around my left hand(same one the watch was on), so I think that was from it. I didnt really use it much the day before either

didnt use it at all today, but Ill wear it tonight and see what happens; maybe Ill finally have time to upgrade it since my other project is almost complete(look for a thread on it soon)


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Night3: once again I didnt wear it during the day*shakes head* (didnt wear it today either). I did install some watch straps though which made it a lot easier to wear during the night; unfortunately I cant remember any instance that may have been caused from the watch; besides being woken up multiple times.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

The bee scenario sounds like it probably was the watch

It sounds like (to me) that you may be a tiny bit anxious and still too aware that you are wearing the device before you sleep. This may be influencing your dream recall.
You may be quite a light sleeper, so the force of the vibration may need to be tuned down a bit.
After a week of trials, change your alarm setting time to maybe 45 mins. Go up every 5 mins each week.


YOU MUST WEAR IT EVERY DAY

Sorry about that, thats why its best to make it comfortable.


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Hey, just an update...

I've been wearing it all day long everyday and doing Reality Checks to each alarm. I'm finally to the point where I don't wait for the next one, but like you said, just go about normally until it comes. I still haven't had any LD's. In fact, I haven't even noticed it in my dreams. I have yet to have any dreams relating to any vibration, my wrist, or arm, or anything like that. I've tried a couple of different times, but I think I'm going to give it another week before I change the times again. I think a big reason this hasn't worked for me is because I have a hard time doing RC's and REALLY asking if I'm dreaming. I have increased my motivation and I've been asking myself if I'm REALLY asking myself if I'm dreaming now, so hopefully this will help. But for now, I'm off to dream land. G'night


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Yes, I do need to wear it all day before really expecting results. My dream recall has started going up though and last night I wasnt woken up at all or found any dreamsigns related to it. Unfortunately the batteries are close to dead which may have been the problem. I should probably look into a way to make the batteries last longer.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Alaszun and Rarebreed, where are you.

I'm waiting for updates form you both on your devices. have you had any luck yet improving LDing?

I still havnt had any more LD from using the vibralite3 since the last time. i think the vibrate is just too powerful and keeps waking me up.

I really want to know how its been for you alaszun, to see if i should by the 8 model.


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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Im still here. Just havent shruken my device yet to a point where I will wear it daily; thus making it pointless for research until I do so. I am hoping to implement vibration strength control in the new smaller model though.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I actually had a very barely lucid dream this morning, but it wasn't because of the wristwatch. I have been doing regular RC's every vibration, but I haven't had any lucid dreams yet. I think I'm going to try a different time setting, maybe go back to the 42.

By the way, I do remember one dream where I felt the watch go off, but I was doing something and didn't bother to do an RC in the dream. That was at the time where I wasn't doing regular RC's to the vibrations, and since then I have been. So I'm going to change the timer setting to 42 and give it another week.

I think the problem might be my motivation to REALLY ask myself if I'm dreaming. So when I feel the vibration in the dream, I just do a nose RC automatically without really asking myself if I'm dreaming. I have started doing that recently though, so hopefully I'll have better results this week.


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

oh wow, I just looked your watch up again and I didnt realize it had the adjustable countdown timer. That watch sounds just about exactly what would be needed.....but the site I saw it on had it for $120! Ill stick with working on my "free" one. But good to know there is an alternative out there for people who might not be able to make their own.

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Hi,

I own a novadreamer which I purchased over 10 years ago; it sort of worked for me at that time, though I only really tried for a week or two because I couldn't sleep well with the mask on my face. Also life got too busy to do dream checks and maintain the necessary focus.. I am now trying to get back into LD, but my novadreamer is in another country, so I started practicing WILD, but with little success. As I keep trying to WILD into the dream state, I decided to also try out the tactile induction mechanism described in this post.
I didn't want to get a watch so I made my own little gadget; it's really quite shameful to post, as it has no features other than a timed vibrator and it's very poorly assembled, but this only cost 5$ and took a couple hours to make, hence the name. The idea is to check whether tactile cues will work for me as well as the novadreamer; if so then I will work on this some more.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23547360@N03/2247507001/

I will report its effectiveness here in the days to come.


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

not bad at all!, and yea, one battery isnt enough. I found that as well, the lil vibrating motors actually take quite a bit of power

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Night 1
PostPosted: Fri 08 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Worst night in more than a year.

Once the device woke me up as I had my arm too close to my face.
The rest were unrelated problems, extreme unbearable heat, despite the fact it's winter, despite turning off the heater, despite taking off all clothes and bedsheets. Thermodynamically impossible unless I was burning thousands of calories, which I probably was. Itches everywhere. Hunger. Farts. Having to go to the restroom. I tried to WILD several times, the wait is simply unbearable it takes hours and nothing happens ever, it's painfully boring, worse than staring at the wall. Body becomes numb, respiration slows - but nothing, the moment I feel the body's trying to pull the switch, my heart rate goes up. No SP. I'm not getting excited or anything, in fact by the third time I almost didn't give a crap as long as I got to sleep somehow. But nothing, seems like I get a shot of adrenaline the moment the body tries to shut down.

I have only to hope that the plasticity of the brain extends to this area as well and that little by little I'll be able to teach my brain that it's ok to shut the hell down while I'm still dimly aware.

7:38am now, I just ate the worst junk food I could find, to at least block the hunger. Now I will try again.


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Night 1, continued
PostPosted: Fri 08 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Definitely the worst night in a long time.
Vibration has the side-effect that when you have your arm under the covers the vibration is not very noisy but if you have your wrist next to your head then it will wake you up. Even worse, if you have the vibrating device pressed against the mattress by the weight of your arm, then the vibration will resonate and that gets really loud. I have therefore tried to keep my arm under the covers, but that still managed to wake me up a few times every 45 minutes. The dreams I recalled were not lucid, nor was there any hint to a vibration on the wrist in them.
The noise problem could be solved by attaching the device to my ankle instead, but I am not sure I will be able to keep that up when I move near the sea and I don't want to waste precious training weeks.

The vibration could be made softer... but before I do that I want to at least have it wake me out of a dream to verify that it is indeed strong enough to produce a stimulus that's incorporated into the dream. I do hope it's not too strong for sleeping but not strong enough to notice it in a dream.

Overall I'm disappointed but still hopeful.
The other thing I'm disappointed about is trying to WILD several times throughout the night as this thing was waking me up and never succeeding once.
If I concentrate properly, so that I'm following the numbers, I won't fall asleep. If I follow dream imagery and just keep reminding myself I'm dreaming every minute or so, then I'll get to the point of a beginning SP but as soon as I feel the brain is pulling the plug I get the adrenaline jolt. If I just don't think about anything then I eventually manage to get to sleep (though not always) but it's not lucid.


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