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PostPosted: Tue 24 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

But even then.. the idea we have about "2D" is based upon a mental model we have developped in order to interprete the world in such a way as it is achievable by the brain. Lucid living isn't about catching light when it touches the retina Now. It isn't something you can perceive objectively, but an entirely subjective practice in which you work with your inner eye first. If you develop your inner dimensions to live closer to the Now (so this has nothing to do with light entering falling upon the retina), you will probably also notice changes in your physical perceptions. But these changes aren't literally physical changes, but more changes in your shift of awareness which result in another perspective towards the world and reality; a perspective which keeps you more centered in the Now. It's pretty difficult to explain it in words.. it's like the moment you become lucid during a dream: can you exactly describe that experience in words? I think words fail here.. only a direct experience can tell you exactly what it is.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

I'm confused cry




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PostPosted: Wed 25 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

Lol. Sorry about my incompetence to explain it in a better way.. colgate

Read Eckhart Tolle - Practicing the Power of Now. He probably explains it more properly smile

But really, even if one finds the right words to describe it in the most accurate way, you have to experience it to know exactly what is meant. How to experience it? To shift your awareness to your inner self, observe the flow of your thoughts and to look upon the world as an observer instead of a participant. This way you automatically focuse on the Now, you don't think anymore about the past nor the future, and every perception is seen as a timeless manifestation of the moment. The road is long before you can live your life fully in the Now, but even if you've just started practicing, you'll notice various subtle changes. These include a sense of profound calmness and peace, a formless broadening of your conscious perception (though this experience can quickly destabilize you because if you don't keep it central, a sudden rush of adrenalin can overwhelm you), a glimpse of timelessness (I often get this when I try to grasp the sound of rustling leaves, or raindrops falling on the roof),...

The only way to understand it is to experience it.


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PostPosted: Thu 26 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

Technodreamer wrote:
I'm confused cry



One of the things that got me interesting in lucid living (besides reading a book on Zen) was this Stephen Lebarge book (the new Lucid Dreaming book with the CD) where he talks about awareness.

He talks about increasing your awarenss throughout the day. He says something like "it's not hear, smell, taste. It's I hear, I smell, I taste."

That's sort of how I think aobut it, so much of what we do throughout the day is just areaction, we don't even think about it and we do it. Lucid living is being aware of yourself throughout the day and what you are doing (simplified).

I hope that helps.

ypm.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

Hey guys, check out my thread about the stairway supplementary technique, its a version of lucid living that I'm testing out at the moment. wink

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Oct, 2004  Reply with quote

i think this "lucid living" is good, i did not have good control over dreams until i had somewhat good control over my everyday life, lucid dreraming requires control and no laziness, for example, you may want to go back to sleep instead of writing in your dj but you need to write, you should also cut out stupid indulgences in your daily life that make you weaker, for example, if you are fatty: lose weiught, if you are very shy (like i was): learn to get over it. als no procrastination and worrying about stupid stuff. the more you have discipline in real life: probably equals more control in dreams, but lds also can be inspiring, if you fly in a dream, you feel like you can push your limits in real life as well, they also teach you not to worry as much and take chances (like you would in a dream)

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

Great topic going on here.

I was thinking about lucid living last night (or Waking Life, as in the movie). I know that dreamtime consciousness often reflects waking consciousness. It's a scary premise: Over the course of a day we have 10,000 thoughtless thoughts, often unrelated to one another. We'll spend most of our time in hurried transition even as were doing something already (like grabbing a handfull of popcorn while not even finshed chewing the previous one and watching mindless television). It's no wonder we have trouble staying lucid in dreams, we become slaves to the reality of the envirement, zombies if you will, just as in waking life. Is this the mental focus we should entrust our dreaming selves with?

Try and recall everything that happened in 14 hours of wakefullness yesterday and you'll probably come up with whatever you recall from a typical dream in the morning. So much goes unprocessed, billions of details, nuances, sentances. events. I can vaguely remember what people were wearing, where they were standing, what they were saying. I am a waking zombie. No more lucid in life than as in most dreams.

It's amazing how such a simple moment of looking at the world as if you were infact dreaming can slow everything down, and you can just breath. A little bit of wonder is introduced, colors glow, and what you hear is crisp, you can feel your pulse and your breath and the humorous realization of existing.

Waking life IS a dream too. The problem is it is a shared dream with too many people, too many rules, most of which are uneccessary. Plus the whole being mortal thing. However, it is tantamount to dreams as being a reality we experience soley in the subjective world of ourselves. Why not treat it as such? If for nothing else, the betterment of night dreams.


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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2005  Reply with quote

In my dreams I would find myself marvelling how real everything looked. While in the dream I find it amazing that my subconcious could create such a flawless reinactment of 'the real world' so when im awake sometimes i try to put myself in the same position. i imagine that everything around me could all be my own creation and how i wouldnt even know. Its a strange feeling, like knowing that in the spaces where i cant see anything there may just be nothing there at all unless i think it into existance.
This is my first post on this site in a year or so i think. Gona gte fully back into it for awhile again(lucid dreaming of course).


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar, 2005  Reply with quote

I may sound stupid but i'm just trying to clarify from what i've been reading on this, Lucid Living is trying to recreate whatever feeling you get when you're in an LD in your waking. This could explain why certain people are just masters at lucid dreaming and never think anything of it, they have the feeling they get while in a LD all the time so its nothing too far out of the ordinary at least feelings wise for them.

If this is what LL is then it seems simpler them some of the other technqiues the only trick is learning how you feel in an LD and to do that you'd need to have a few.


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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2005  Reply with quote

Seriously one of the best texts written about awareness/ lucid living. It`s 8 pages long, but worth every second of your time tounge2

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Mar, 2005  Reply with quote

Uh, what text? [edit: doh tounge2]



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PostPosted: Fri 25 Mar, 2005  Reply with quote

I think he means this whole LL topic. Together with the previous parts, it's 8 pages long smile

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

ONLY READ THE FIRST POST:
very poetic message!
in the other discustion about jesus christ, i just didn't say this because i haven't thought about it so deeply! -but i must say it crossed my mind.- i think that that's basicly what he's done! instead of just controlling his dreams, he started controlling his life - in a positive way that is!
who knows it all started with a LD?
peace~@~you and me too


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

This topic is indeed great...although i think discussing about this should come in second (or maybe even third...fourth ) place after actually DOING it.

For the last month i have been doing the talking (or the thinking) more than the doing... smile

In some previous posts i encountered the idea that this is just like a muscle, and that you can develop it. And that's why i ask any of you who has practiced LL (in any form) to post how far they have gone. I have been trying to stay in the NOW but it only lasts a few seconds and then i get swept away...I'm asking you: Is it getting any better than this?

For those advanced LL practitioners: please post how much can you stay in the LL state, or how much can you sustain the LL feeling and how much time has it took for you to reach this level.

Maybe i am wrong to think in "how much can you stay in this state" terms ... please correct me if i am.


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

While I've done some LLing previously, I've only just started serious practice (about three weeks ago). When compared to the beginning I can say there has changed (and is changing) something very subtle. Hard to explain.. Instead of doing things unconsciously like a machine, I'm trying to become aware of that process, to see it from outside. It will probably take quite some time to really achieve that, but I've already noticed a very subtle shift of perspective from the "I" to the "me" perspective. If I don't pay attention to it, I wouldn't notice it so there's still much much work to do smile As for those few moments in the Now.. I'm sure it gets better than that, as long as you try to keep your awareness in the Moment. As Tolle says, remaining aware of your presence catalyzes an evermore deepening of your consciousness. Don't worry about it. And if you do worry, try to witness yourself worrying, without judging whether it's a good thing or not.

Good luck wink


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