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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

I had a small epiphany this morning and am going to try this technique. I thought I'd share right away!

Introduction:

I've been trying to practice lucid living on and off for the past few years (mostly off), but recently have really been throwing myself into it and finding it gets easier with practice and determination. Whenever I tried to be lucid and realized I was daydreaming, I would pull out of the daydream as I became aware of the things around me and how lucid I was in my waking body.

Back when I was LDing frequently, I would have a problem where soon after I became lucid I would become aware of my real physical body and get pulled out of my dream.

It is only now, after three years, that I've realized these two things are related!

The Technique:

As you go through your day and find yourself daydreaming, become lucid in the daydream. Feel the dreamlike realness, however much there is, of the daydream. Put your awareness in your daydream self and not your waking self.

If you have to stop daydreaming because you're supposed to be doing something in waking life, don't immediately withdraw like you usually would. First acknowledge the daydream lucidly, and then decide to wake up from it. But try to sometimes indulge, or even start daydreaming on purpose!

Doesn't it seem obvious that Lucid DayDreaming would be good practice for LDing? so everyone go out and LDD!


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Good one
PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

This is a good idea. It remind me of Gurdjieff self-remembering excercise.

Whatever you find yourself doing something while daydreaming one needs to remember "I *AM*". "I *am*" doing this or that...

The idea is growing in dynamic self-awareness towards spiritual awakening.

The more aware you are, the more lucid you will be! grin


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

I practice it almost daily, to tell the truth, and I was thinking of it as an important part in daily practice for dream control

That way you can modulate emotions quite easily, fight the impulse to wake back, power up your visualization, anything that concerns a LD really. ^^



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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

I've never had a "true" day dream... a hallucination as such, not even for a moment.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

Well you're still supposed to stand or sit where you are True hallucinations require trance states, as they would mean losing contact with the body. It's not really important how much true they seem, it's about how much true they feel they are. Emotional engagement works a lot torwards this, and it's all that matters IMHO. With that, it's quite easy to experiment sense stimulatons of any kind (while still being feeble, but that's not really important).


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

I find it impossible to realize I'm daydreaming without getting sucked out sadblauw It seems there's no delay at all after the realization. Like one time I was trying to visualize and an image appeared for a split second, as soon as I noticed it (before I could react and even look at it) it was gone... sadblauw

Anyway, if anyone has any tips for that... smile


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

Well, in my practice, when that happens to me that's actual HI and that's far above my objective
I only daydream with mind images, accustoming myself to the idea of being in a dream and living my adventures, only that.
If you can do that on the spot with HI, you're just a step away from standing WILD lach1 keep someone ready to catch you.



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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

I used to do this all the time...
It was a means of escape really. I used to get bullied frequently and I also have other personal problems and family problems to deal with. As a way to escape it all, I'd sit by myself and start doodling on a piece of paper and then that would start the daydreams up.
There is a kind of LD feeling about it. The control aspect and the feeling of losing the daydream. To remedy that, I'd either draw another doodle to reinforce the daydream, or "chain" into another one. The more depressed I became, the easier it was to separate myself from the real world. Obviously I'm gonna advice against excessive escapism but I suppose it did help with:
Control
Long LD's/not waking up
Chaining

However... mental illness runs on both sides of my family. I became delusional as a result and hallucinations started replacing my daydreams.
In that regard it can potentially hinder:
Awareness
Becoming lucid

So my advice, don't use it as an escape. Well, at least not excessively. Everything in moderation I suppose. My reasoning for not ever trying CALD. But you guys can. I just need to be careful.

Also, practice some Lucid Living along with this. It'll help with becoming lucid in the first place.
Hmm... I don't know how being more aware will affect your daydreams though in the ability to maintain them. If you're constantly aware of yourself, wouldn't that put you more at the risk of "waking up"? I haven't really allowed myself to daydream very long in a while.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

Hmm, interesting input! I had more in mind catching the daydreams you have naturally, mundane things like rehearsing conversations in your head, rather than purposefully going into a fantasy.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

Wyvern wrote:
Also, practice some Lucid Living along with this. It'll help with becoming lucid in the first place.
Hmm... I don't know how being more aware will affect your daydreams though in the ability to maintain them. If you're constantly aware of yourself, wouldn't that put you more at the risk of "waking up"? I haven't really allowed myself to daydream very long in a while.
*Wyvern pokes Tosxychor

Well, there are certainly various ways of being aware. If I try to be conscious of my body, my surroundings etc. then the daydreaming becomes very feeble and discontinous; just knowing that you're daydreaming, however, while focusing your awareness on your thoughts only (I find it useful to focus body awareness first on the centre of my head), it's another story, and allows for continous daydreaming. Trying to stay on the verge of awareness, though, can indeed bring one to interrupt it, and that's what practice is for: by training oneself to being aware without interrupting the flow of daydreaming, the same thing can be used in a LD, being now capable of thinking and acting freely while mantaining full awareness of the dreamstate, and being able not to wake up.
From experience, with daydreaming practice i managed to bring myself to a calm state of mind at the beginning of DILD's, get more and uninterrupted awareness of the state of dreaming, and most importantly, I fought the impulse to wake up after a while, that was tormenting me. Great stuff ^^
One way to do that is keeping it easy, just focusing on what's happening without interferring, or realizing more than necessary, just enjoying the ride, with a back-of-the head feeling that you're there, watching. Nothing more is needed for starting, then you can get to more adavnced stuff wink (and by more advanced stuff, there is indeed HI visualization, like mattias said, it just takes a little dedicated practice)



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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

Jake Kobrin wrote:
I've never had a "true" day dream... a hallucination as such, not even for a moment.

same thing here. I just think about stuff, but I never get any visuals. Also, by Lucid Daydreaming, I though you meant that being Lucid in a dream during the day smile


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

Up untill I was 8 years old, every thought was accompanied by a visual... (I once played a game of pong mentally!) After I turned 8, however, I seemingly lost the ability...

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Nov, 2009  Reply with quote

I tried it and... I had a dull daydream... was able to become "lucid" without becoming roused, however, It would've been better a few years back when my visualization skills were better...

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Nov, 2010  Reply with quote

Iv'e had some truly amazing day dreams whilst being in a trance state whilst meditating, I'm not sure whether to consider them day dreams really, they were extremely vivid and I still remember every detail, I was aware in these Day Dreams but I just let it all play out because of how awesome it all was. I completely lost contact with my physical body but I was still sitting up when I 'woke' up. eek2

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Nov, 2010  Reply with quote

Very interesting post, heck there is so much to learn. smile

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