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To start out, thanks for the welcome and the reply 
I looked a bit at DEILD, but in a way that kind of seems tougher than WILD. It's probably just me, but staying completely still after a dream just doesn't really come naturally and easily.
Current LD goal(s): To enjoy my first LD.
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| Posted: Thu 21 Jul, 2011 |
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Hello & Welcome to the forums. Personally, I've done WILD succesfully only 2 times, but I'll try to share my experiences...
1. It's your choice. When you wake up, you may immeadeately do a WILD, however I would suggest staying awake for a few minutes, otherwise, you may fall asleep instantly, losing consciousness. That happened to me a few times. On the other hand, when you wake up, you may do the WBTB technique, which involves being awake for around 20-30 minutes, reading something on the lucid dreaming topic. Therefore, if you fail at your WILD attempt and fall asleep, there is a chance that you will become lucid because you were just looking at the forums about LD.
2. Personally, I keep my eyes closed. You must fall asleep, and for me, it works best when I close my eyes. Although, I've heard here that a few people on this forum practice WILD with open eyes, though, I would find it hard to do.
3. The HI can indeed be controlled by your mind. Of course, a part of it depends on your subconscious, but if you've got some will, you may control them. However, I advise you not to get involved with them too much, as you may lose consciousness. I would suggest you looking at them passivelly, just like watching TV. That will prevent you from forgetting what you're doing and losing consciousness.
4. The HI will appear as random colors/hallucinations. They will move across the blackness of your closed eyes. After HI, the HH will come. They will not be colors anymore, but instead, they will take forms of actual objects, like a car, apple etc. I don't remember much from my HI, HH experiences, as at that time I'm in a trance-like state. I usually fully "wake up" and become aware in the dream.
5. It heavily depends on whether you are tired or not. If I have just awoken after 4-5 hours of sleep, I will be so tired, that I may enter a dream just in 5-10 minutes. The other WILD I did last for about 30 minutes, as I did it during an afternoon nap and I wasn't that tired. If it lasts for hours, even when you wake up after 4,5 hours of sleep, it means that you concentrate far too much. Try to relax more. Think as little as possible, forget your IRL body, don't think about stuff like: "This is probably the HI", "I'm now in SP", "Oh, now I see the HH. Maybe I'll succeed at this WILD attempt". In short, don't think about your IRL body, WILD, LD etc. Keep you thoughs, especially about sleeping, WILD and IRL as far as possible. You are supposed to forget your IRL body while still being conscious. On the other hand, if you're doing WILD during an afternoon nap, and seem to do everything right, and it still lasts for hours, you may be simply not tired. If you're fully outslept, you will not fall asleep again.
6. The dream will gradually form from the HH. At first it will be some simple objects, after some time, you will see complete scenes. Signs that you are in a dream and may take over the control are: you have a vision of a complete scene, you see many objects, you feel your dream body, your senses such as hearing and touch are working...
If you notice that you're in a dream, you may then step into it.
Good luck on your WILD attempts
Current LD goal(s): Have a lightsaber duel with a DC.
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| Posted: Thu 21 Jul, 2011 |
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Well, staying still and keeping your eyes closed when you wake up can take a bit of practice as well, but once you practice it, it's not so hard. And even so, if you end up moving some, it doesn't mean your attempt is ruined. Sure, it might be a little harder to fall asleep after that, but WILD and DEILD in that sort of context are going to be nearly one and the same. If you can practice not moving or opening your eyes when you wake up, it can really be much easier to DEILD than WILD. (And yes, I do know this from experience, since this is a separate issue from HI/HH.  It IS quite a bit easier (and usually faster) to go right back into a dream if you don't move and DEILD.) WILD might seem like one of the easiest ways to get an LD, but it's really not. It doesn't have more of a success rate than any others (and honestly, a lot of us have more LDs with other techniques. I mostly have DILDs and the occasional DEILD if I'm lucky.) DEILD is more reliable than WILD. If you want proof with another opinion, ask OmkAR in our IRC room. He does many DEILDs, but not nearly as many WILDs. He does do both, but whenever he talks about his LDs/OBEs, most are from DEILDs.
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| Posted: Thu 21 Jul, 2011 |
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Hi Adam,
I think everyone experiences it differently. Almost all LDs I have come from WILD and I actually WILD spontaneously sometimes. SO I'll try to awnser your question form my experiences.
1. I let myself sleep untill I wake up the first time in the morning, when I've had about 7 to 8 hours of sleep. What I do is, either I step out of bed to use the restroom or I will roll over, or move my body a little. Important is to remind yourself that you've just woken up and that you will go back to sleep. I guess that if you stay up longer, you'll eventually do WBTB..
2. I recommend you to..
3. I don't always get HI/HS/HH, usually I skip it but sometimes i let it be. Rarely it's frightening (like a huge rat running towards me etc.) but usually it's something nice. HI can be shapes, colours, objects, entire scene's; it is like you are watching tv from really close by, you are the frame but you're not in it. HS can be music playing, I always enjoy this a lot. HH can be people walking through your room, they can be making sounds or even touching you. I haven't been able to control the HI and HS yet though it's not that hard to control the HH. It doesn't have to be scary, if you feel comfortable, it won't get scary, after all it's all in your head.
4. I'm not sure exactly what you mean to ask here but I think I've anwsered this one with the previous question. With HI you don't see yourself, all you see is the HI and you are it's frame.
5. For me it doesn't seem to last long, as I said before, I can skip it all and go straight to a LD (but it's really not as simple as I'm writing it down right now..). So, when I enjoy it, I can make it last for about 5 minutes and then wake up and dive straight back into it. But other times I don't even get HI and go straight into a LD. It's really easy to go from HH into a LD, all you have to do there is to get up and walk away and you're in a LD.
6. You will feel it, it's hard to explain. When I am waiting for this feeling I am often too fast with trying to become lucid so I then fail but the stupid thing is that before trying it, I already know that I will fail because the feeling isn't strong enough. And when I do feel that feeling very strongly I know before trying it that I will succeed and I've always succeeded when I felt that feeling so strong. So when you get that feeling, you will just know that that's the cue.
good luck
Current LD goal(s): increase vividness and movement, ride my underwater dragon, create a landscape
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| So, I Attempted WILD Last Night... |
| Posted: Sun 24 Jul, 2011 |
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I attempted WILD last night, but this time, with a little help.
I was pretty tired, and went to bed with headphones on while this was playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xDk1VBlIL8
Lied completely still, and suddenly, it felt like I was spinning. I tried to focus on it, but it just went away.
Was I about to go into SP?
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| Posted: Mon 25 Jul, 2011 |
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Not necessarily, this could have just been the beginning of HH that you experiencing. This is a common problem if you try to WILD right when you go to bed, regardless of how tired you are. It can take up to 90 minutes of sitting through symptoms like that before you even have your first dream of the night. It would be much easier if you were to attempt it later, about 4-6 hours after you first go to sleep.
Current LD goal(s): Defeat Xander in our lucid duel!
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| Posted: Mon 01 Aug, 2011 |
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Often I use WILD in the morning and sometimes it goes great but other times not so great.
I'm not sure what the problem is but I think that I'm entering a LD too soon maybe because the hallucinations stay behind and I can't really get away from my physical body so I have to unlucid to try it again.
For example, the morning before last morning I stepped out of bed like I normally do when stepping into a LD. I didn't have vision right away so I usually wait a few seconds and walk around untill it starts. Like that morning I walked around and my vision started coming vaguely but it wasn't well so I decided to open my eyes (for me it sometimes feels like my eyes are closed and I search for vision while my eyes feel closed, vision may come and it feels like my eyes have opened themselves or I actively open my eyes to either find myself in my bed or see my dream). I opened my eyes and from my right eye I saw my dream world but from my left eye I saw my blankets so I actively closed my left eye and walked around in my dream with just seeing through my right eye. Next problem was that I felt being sucked back to my physical body right after I was about to take a lucid pill. Rubbing and touching doesn't much help.
I was wondering if anyone else had the same experiences and what did you do to overcome it? Is my body too awake so it doesn't give me the chance to go into deeper sleep or am I stepping into a LD too soon or...?
Current LD goal(s): increase vividness and movement, ride my underwater dragon, create a landscape
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| WILD - When to fall asleep |
| Posted: Sat 05 Nov, 2011 |
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At what part of WILD should I focus on sleeping rather than staying awake? If I keep trying to stay awake, I usually end up waking fully.
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| Posted: Sat 05 Nov, 2011 |
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Keep your mind awake, not your body. Thats really the whole point of WILD. There isnt a specific time to do it.
Current LD goal(s): Increase Awarness
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| Posted: Sat 05 Nov, 2011 |
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It all depends on how tired you are, usually for me what I do is try and fall asleep but keep the idea that I'm WILDing and I will usually dose off but I will become concious when any type of HH happens. You usually just have to judge how tired you are. For me If I get up in the middle of the night and don't move around much then I have to try and stay awake but if its like a 30 minute WBTB then I gotta try to fall asleep. Their is a best time to WILD, It's in your REM. If you not in REM its kinda tough to dream haha, I have most success with WILD when I do it right after a dream. Sorry If some of this is confusing, lemme know if you have any more questions.
Current LD goal(s): 4-5 LD a week :D
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| Posted: Sun 06 Nov, 2011 |
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That's when I try to WILD, about 5 hours after I've gone to sleep. I usually just wake up, go the the toilet, then go back to bed and have to try to stay awake.
Problem is I focus too much on my body waiting for SP and HH that I never really manage to reach that stage unless I black out for a few seconds when trying to stay aware then wake up in that state. Any tips for keeping the focus away from that? What technique do you personally use to stay aware? I've been using counting (both forwards and backwards) but it doesn't seem to work for me, as far as keeping my mind occupied.
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| Posted: Sun 06 Nov, 2011 |
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| Ardosk wrote: |
That's when I try to WILD, about 5 hours after I've gone to sleep. I usually just wake up, go the the toilet, then go back to bed and have to try to stay awake.
Problem is I focus too much on my body waiting for SP and HH that I never really manage to reach that stage unless I black out for a few seconds when trying to stay aware then wake up in that state. Any tips for keeping the focus away from that? What technique do you personally use to stay aware? I've been using counting (both forwards and backwards) but it doesn't seem to work for me, as far as keeping my mind occupied. |
Heh, this post describes my situation exactly. My advice would be to test few nights in a row with SP. I mean you should see how you feel in each part of SP[for that I would suggest to stay awake longer just to manage to get through that..] especially at part where you get from awake to more awake state. Just the part that you described here:
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If I keep trying to stay awake, I usually end up waking fully. |
I'm telling you this because at that point I know that I need to fall asleep, I get special feeling that the best description would be vibrations and something more...
With your test you should figure out how you feel just the moment before you become more awake and then let yourself asleep. Of course, letting yourself asleep is sometimes very hard just because of all this attention you have on your body and in your mind because you don't want to fall asleep. Again, with that test you should know in which state of SP you are by the feelings you'll get and then you can easily through each state get more and more relaxed and stop paying attention on being awake and finally at right moment let yourself to fall asleep...
Good luck!
Current LD goal(s): #Find/Meet Dream Guide#
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| Posted: Sun 06 Nov, 2011 |
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What I do is set my intentions to WILD and then let myself drift off and unless I'm really tired I will wake back up when any type of SP or HH starts. Counting for me keeps me up.
Current LD goal(s): 4-5 LD a week :D
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| Posted: Sun 06 Nov, 2011 |
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Thanks, guys.
Holidays are coming up, so I'll have plenty of time to test my own stages of SP and practice more.
I hear that focusing on the inside of your eyelids and what appears there can be helpful when it comes to keeping the focus off of your body, but whenever I try to do that my eyelids always start to open. I suppose I just need to practice that too.
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| Posted: Sun 06 Nov, 2011 |
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I've learned to focus only on what I feel[mostly my body] and then I wait for that moment and just fall asleep and next second I'm in dream, lucid.
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There's a tech for stopping that, it's called reverse blinking. Whenever that starts to happened you should blink fast a couple times and that should stop unwilling blinking.
Current LD goal(s): #Find/Meet Dream Guide#
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