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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Congratulations, CyberD!


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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Congrats Eil and CyberD! It's a great guide :D

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

So long, too many words to edit... but we made it in the end. Hopefully someone can learn something from it, I know I did.... and I wrote the thing :D

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep, 2012  Reply with quote

This is a bit of a bump. I'm not sure if people still post in this thread as it's been quite a while, but I'll post this anyway.

I've been pretty stressed lately and I considered going back to "see" my characters to alleviate the stress for a while. So, I had the idea of creating a MP3 hypnosis file for personal use. And, when I thought of my creating it, I couldn't help but think of this thread so I came here to post again.
I've experienced a whole adventure with my characters over the past two years, and I've even began typing it out. It will have 100 Chapters.

This thread was a way to talk about something really interesting; I thought I was the only person that had their own characters that they'd interact with. It taught me a lot of things and I spoke to some great people in here. So, before I write anymore I guess I'd like to say thanks to everyone, particularly those who offered advice and listened to my experiences.

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In regards to communicating with my characters again, I'm going to try something I'm familiar with - isochronic tones. I'm going to use ones that aid in daydreams, and am going to meditate as well so I can get into a deep state. In this deep state, I will 'find' my characters again - I might do this in the form of another adventure, who knows. I want to get back into lucid dreaming, and seeing as daydreaming used to be one of my favourite pastimes I'll start again here. Just like old times.

I'm a little rusty on the CALD technique so if anyone is willing to offer some tips/advice it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,
- Teraflare


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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep, 2012  Reply with quote

There are still people around, I think the forum just gets a little slow from time to time. Regardless it's cool to see someone who disappeared long before I got here.

Compared to me your CALD experience seems a lot more structured than my own. Thats the beauty of it though, it works so differently for everyone who uses it. If you do ever get through out all 100 chapters it'd be really cool if you'd share it with us.
If your mind is set I'm sure the mp3 and tones will help, there is nothing more important than getting into a good mindset when working on lucid dreaming.

Advice? I dunno what I can really offer since you already seem to have a pretty good plan. If I was in your position I'd probably read over some of the old posts, your own in particular.


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Sep, 2012  Reply with quote

CyberD wrote:
There are still people around, I think the forum just gets a little slow from time to time. Regardless it's cool to see someone who disappeared long before I got here.

Compared to me your CALD experience seems a lot more structured than my own. Thats the beauty of it though, it works so differently for everyone who uses it. If you do ever get through out all 100 chapters it'd be really cool if you'd share it with us.
If your mind is set I'm sure the mp3 and tones will help, there is nothing more important than getting into a good mindset when working on lucid dreaming.

Advice? I dunno what I can really offer since you already seem to have a pretty good plan. If I was in your position I'd probably read over some of the old posts, your own in particular.


Thank you for your response.
My CALD experience is pretty complex, I used to daydream about having charactes when I was as young as 5. From there, it began to become more advanced and I even constructed an entire universe for my characters and branched off many storylines for the universe. Shortly after, I stumbled upon this thread which talked about inducing LDs using characters, and then it really developed.
In regards to the story, the 100 Chapters is only part of the whole adventure I've had with my characters, over the years the experiences I've had could span over thousands of pages. I must have had about thirty characters in total or something similar.

From a little experimenting I've found that isochronic tones do not work for me as well as binaural beats, which is strange because I've read that isochronic tones are supposed to entrain your brain faster and without the use of headphones (I have been using headphones for them though). I've repeatedly used the tones but to no avail; and the first time I used binaural beats I could already notice a change in consciousness. I even used some binaural beats that specialise in changing brain activity to Theta/Delta (which if I recall is associated with relaxation and sleep), and I could really feel my eyelids become heavy, and I felt very close to sleep. I could have fallen asleep if I let myself, but I didn't as I wanted to see if I could get hypnagogic imagery.
Next time I'll try to find a beat that is geared towards conjuring closed-eye visuals. I'll report the results and let everyone know if I see my characters.

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In regards to your advice about reading my early posts, I'll do exactly that. It will refresh my memory of what I used to know.
Thanks again.

- Teraflare
(I get a little carried away typing posts sometimes)


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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep, 2012  Reply with quote

No need to worry about long posts. I'd love to have enough to talk about that I could write so much but no one needs to hear more about my character for endless paragraphs.

I guess my start was the opposite of yours. I guess you could say I came into this cold. I just read the thread and decided to pick it up and give it a go. It's been an interesting experience to try and train my brain into a mindset that allows me to visualize my character. I'd love to be able to go on an adventure but CALD for me is really just getting through real life, I try to visualize and communicate while I am busy with other tasks such as work as a unique approach on the lucid living. I'm lucky we if we meet in dreams but it does happen from time to time.

I've never really looked into binaural beats or isochronic tones and never really understood the point of them when I did. I suspect they would be a lot more effective shortly before you go to bed or during a WBTB. Let us know if you have any success with them smile


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PostPosted: Thu 04 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

I have no clue where to post this, but I'll put it here.
My characters name is Ali. Ali is a 17 y/o girl who is smart, and easily noticeable because of her hair.
I'll describe her appearance. Ali has a very fine, skinny nose, doesn't stick out too little or too much. She has nice hollows in her cheeks, high cheekbones, and nicely arches eyebrows. She has small size of lips but very full. Her haircolor makes her more noticable since she has dark apricot hair with gorgeous golden highlights and tints of blonde. Her hair length is right past her underarms, and she has straight hair and curled at the ends. She is 5"5, and her skin tone is olive.
( I think i'm going to upload a picture of her, I'm drawing her. )
Ali has color changing eyes, which one of them are blue and one of them are a hazel. They change overtime, so the blue becomes a sea grey, and the hazel becomes a green. Ali likes to wear inexpensive clothing and she can renovate what she likes. She is a 'do it yourself' girl, and isn't a big spender. She wears some makeup, and she doesn't overload it. She likes to wear a champagne colored eyeshadow, some mascara, and eyeliner, as well as some cheek blush and tinted lip balm.

Personality-
Ali is very smart but also at the same time bubbly and likeable. Since she is smart she will find ways to appear in my dreams, and she has never needed an aid- she is just naturally intelligent. She believes in being natural and never being a skeptic so she is open minded, and easy to talk to, so if I ever need a DC to talk to in a dream, she'll be all open eared.


Name: Ali Joy ( Initials- AJ.. Oh gee whiz, wonder where that came from. )
Birthdate- February 14, 1995
'Birthdate of establishment'- October 3rd, 2012

Alright, thats it for now. I have a good image of my character wink5



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PostPosted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Sounds like you're off to a good start. Having a strong visual of your character is incredibly important, without it you'd never recognize her in a dream.

I hope you're going well communicating with her. Hopefully it hasn't been too awkward or forced, but in the beginning that's perfectly fine.

If you do finish the pic it'd be cool if you could upload it.


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

A few of us have been discussing the CALD technique outside of this thread so I thought I'd bring some of it back here to share with anyone who might be even slightly interested.

There is a technique known as "Tulpa" that has attracted some attention due to it's similarities with CALD. A Tulpa is a character you create in your mind and work on building until it is able to talk back to you. The goal of the Tulpa technique is to experience this character as sentient so you can go on to do more interesting things with it.

CALD is similar except here we've focused less on making the character "sentient" and more on making the character appearing in dreams and thus more useful for lucidity.
The two techniques in their similarity have the potential to work well together to produce better results but of course that will take time (and will probably mean writing up a new guide.)

If you want to read more about Tulpa then several guides can be found at the site Fennecgirl linked us to.
http://tulpa.info/index.html
and for a good starting place
http://tulpa.info/guides/what-is-a-tulpa.html

I brought the topic to this thread to ask about two techniques used in Tulpa that I've never really seen covered in CALD. "Wonderland" and "Tulpaforcing". Personally I've never used two of the techniques to any measurable extent but I've read about the success some people are achieving by using them.

A wonderland is another term for a "mindspace" or "dreamworld" that you go to/focus on to improve your concentration among other things. Does anyone have anything to share about the idea? Another article

Tulpaforcing is more specific. You sit down and have a session of focus where all you do is work on building your character. I personally haven't sat down and had an extended session with my character but instead work with him while I am doing other things. Does anyone work on their character like this? Does it work better for you?


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

I have a mindscape but it's pretty basic and static, it's just a forest glade. Since it is constructed after the idea of a place in my characters' story, I know though what else is there, like that there's a lake with a waterfall nearby. Most of the time the mindscape simply serves as a place to picture my MCs in without making it too boring or too complicated. I've never used it for anything else in particular and never actually "needed" it, back when I created Neila there was even just a white void, and that worked well too. The only times where the mindscape is of actual use is when I meditate (which I unfortunately do very rarely) and try my best to imagine myself next to my MCs in first person perspective, as an actual environment makes it easier to "connect" to it than it would be with a white void. Another interesting thing I've read is the use of metaphoric buildings like a library to make memory access easier (or possible in the first place) for your tulpa.

Regarding tulpaforcing, I never actually did that (and I don't like the word itself, but anyway). If I remember correctly, I mostly build up Neila through narration and carefully paying attention to any possible response. Gan, Iron and Kubiku have never actually required any kind of tulpaforcing and Sheela was built up by a few intentionally chosen mostly external features and with help and suggestions from my other MCs.

Leaving aside the fact that everyone but Sheela had a pretty much predefined personality, I haven't put any effort into my MCs that would count as tulpaforcing, there was simply no need. They developed through interaction with me, each other and of course with the people of the Chat. I personally think that character creation or development through interaction is more effective than tulpaforcing, simply because you already treat your character as a "person" or as being sentient.



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PostPosted: Sun 28 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Hey everyone, In regards to the tulpa talk going around, I made it an experiment in the Lucid Lab. Here is the link to it: http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=690080#690080

Hope a few of you join:)



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Sheela and I had a little dispute, followed by a finer grasp of mostly Sheela’s personality and needs. But let me start with explaining the background of what happened...So, a week ago, I made the “Surprise me” test (tulpa.info) with my MCs. All of them but Sheela managed to come up with something original which actually surprised me. I concluded from that that Sheela is not as sentient/autonomous/independent as the others and decided to work on that. My procedure was to give her the task of being responsible for the permanent presence of all my MCs; taking into account that she was, alongside Kubiku, the one often missing, that seemed like a wise decision à la killing two birds with one stone: Making her more autonomous and having all MCs in the mindscape. Yeah right. Seemed.

During the first few days, she did in excellent job (like I wrote in my post in the tulpa experiment thread), but then she started to have seemingly random crying fits. Call me cold-hearted, but I dismissed that as a result of the hard work and of her not being used to stuff like that. I was absolutely confident that my idea would result soon in a more mature and independent version of Sheela. Since I felt responsible for her emotional breakdowns, I told the others to support her both emotionally and with her responsibility regarding the mindscape (yes I know how stupid that sounds to coax my MCs into helping her when I felt responsible). Even though that actually worked (especially Gan and Iron tried their best), something happened that I picked up as a “last warning”: Before I went to sleep, I talked a bit with my MCs, visiting the mindscape. When I was only a few minutes into the talking, an extremely hostile, distorted and demonic-looking version of Sheela appeared and hovered around in the mindscape. Gan, who was more annoyed than anything else, shoved that thing away, but since it came back in a matter of seconds, Neila created a barrier of sorts which kept it outside, and shortly after, it disappeared as quickly as it showed up. Instead of it, a completely exhausted Sheela appeared out of nowhere and immediately fell asleep next to Kubiku.

I concluded that something was not quite right here (oh really?!) and decided to have a written conversation with only Sheela. At first, that conversation was not actually intended for providing a solution, but to see what will happen now if I try to talk to Sheela alone, as it seemed contradictory to me that she could talk just fine when the others were around but was not able to come up with something when they weren’t. In the beginning, Sheela was very renunciatory and fending, even a bit hostile. In the course of the conversation we sorted things out, the main point is that Sheela, the only one without a pre-designed personality, had/has to do all the stuff herself that I have done unconsciously for the others over the course of whole years. Some translated tidbits of the conversation for anyone who’s interested:

Click here to see the hidden message (It might contain spoilers)



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PostPosted: Tue 13 Nov, 2012  Reply with quote

I have a question in terms of talking to you characters via text. This can be done through any method; whether with pencil and paper or a computer? If so, on the subject of computers, should I do my conversation in a writing program or browser like Google Docs? I would like to hear what others have done when talking to their characters through text or words.

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Nov, 2012  Reply with quote

I personally don't type to my character with text but I know that some people find it really helpful. Just find somewhere you feel comfortable typing. Be that notepad or google docs. So long as you're focusing on your character more than you are on the the program you'll do fine.
Good luck, hope you have some success.


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